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Old 01-29-2005, 01:12 AM   #1
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Yes, it is easier to place all the "elohim" and all "lords" into one syncretized lump, but in so doing, you do a discredit to history, to the truth, and to your own intelligence.
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Psalm 29:1

Yahab Yahweh ben El

(Acknowledge Yahweh, the son of El)

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Psalm 29:1

Yahab Yahweh ben El

(Acknowledge Yahweh, the son of El)

Habu la'YAHWEH ben'ey elohim, Habu la YAHWEH kabod v'oz:

Give unto YAHWEH, sons of elohim,
Give unto YAHWEH glory and strength:

"ben"- indicates "son" (singular), "ben'ey"- indicates "sons" (plural) consistently,
example; "ben'ey Israel" = "sons of Israel"

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Habu la'YAHWEH ben'ey elohim, Habu la YAHWEH kabod v'oz:

Give unto YAHWEH, sons of elohim,
Give unto YAHWEH glory and strength:

"ben"- indicates "son" (singular), "ben'ey"- indicates "sons" (plural) consistently,
example; "ben'ey Israel" = "sons of Israel"

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No kidding.

Go tell the folks over at BlueLetterBible.org that their Strong’s Concordance is broken.

yahab y@hovah ben el

Acknowledge Yahweh, the son of El.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_d...33-4453.html#1

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No kidding.

Go tell the folks over at BlueLetterBible.org that their Strong’s Concordance is broken.

yahab y@hovah ben el

Acknowledge Yahweh, the son of El.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_d...33-4453.html#1

Loomis, I do not use "BlueLetterBible" or any such device, as I am able to read Hebrew directly from the text.
If you or anyone else cares to investigate that text, you WILL NOT find the word "yahab" written there;
The initial word in Psalm 29:1, IS "Ha'bu" and is the instruction "Give-you" all the 'BlueLetterBible' gives in its 'translation' breakdown is the root word "yahab", but that does not actually occur in this verse at all.

The same is the case with "ben", the word actually in the text is "ben'ey"="sons", The BlueLetterBible is only supplying you the primitive 'root' word, not the full form actually written in the text. and that makes a big difference.

However, it is not the -BlueLetterBible's- nor Strong' Concordance's fault that you are not proficient in Hebrew, and more importantly, that you have undertaken a biased agenda to distort the sense of the text to serve your own ignorance and misconceptions.

Your 'translation' is totally incorrect and without merit.
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Wellllllll....

If Christ is the "son of God" rather than explicitely the "Son of Yahweh"...

Christ is the son of El.

Yahweh is the son of El.
Pervy as I indicated above, there is no actual Scriptural ground for Loomis's so called 'translation', he is in error, and you also if you follow his incorrect translation and its faulty attending 'logic'.
Kristos is the son of gawd (this is the 'Kristos' and 'gawd' that were, and are of the 'el'le'leem' (false gods) of the nations, for example see "Baal Gawd" (lord gawd)
Christ is the son of the 'el', 'Gawd'.
YAHWEH is NOT the son of any el, Because He is the creator and sustainer of all (countless numbers) of the elohim.
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Loomis, I do not use "BlueLetterBible" or any such device, as I am able to read Hebrew directly from the text.
If you or anyone else cares to investigate that text, you WILL NOT find the word "yahab" written there;
The initial word in Psalm 29:1, IS "Ha'bu" and is the instruction "Give-you" all the 'BlueLetterBible' gives in its 'translation' breakdown is the root word "yahab", but that does not actually occur in this verse at all.

The same is the case with "ben", the word actually in the text is "ben'ey"="sons", The BlueLetterBible is only supplying you the primitive 'root' word, not the full form actually written in the text. and that makes a big difference.

However, it is not the -BlueLetterBible's- nor Strong' Concordance's fault that you are not proficient in Hebrew, and more importantly, that you have undertaken a biased agenda to distort the sense of the text to serve your own ignorance and misconceptions.

Your 'translation' is totally incorrect and without merit.
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The Bible is probably the worst translated book on earth. I am surprised that to this day, Christians are so ignorant that they still don't have a transliterated Bible with the original Hebrew and Aramaic...
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Pervy, there is Scriptural ground for the translation I posted above. Zerubabble is in error.

El and Yahweh were originally two distinct gods from two separate religions – but they eventually got combined into one.

El was the most high god of the Aramean pantheon. He had a girlfriend/ goddess named Asherah, and between them they had 70 sons.

Yahweh Sabaoth was the Arabian desert god of armies. He had his own religion called Yahwism. Some of the authors of the Bible took different approaches at combining these gods, while others didn’t combine them at all.

The process of assimilation involved two incompatible techniques:

1) Brute force substitution. The authors raked through the El stories. They “erased� the word El and they substituted the word Yahweh.

2) Integration. They tweaked the El stories to portray Yahweh as one of El’s 70 sons.

Look at Deuteronomy 32:7-9 and you’ll see what I mean. El is dividing up humanity into nations. He assigns a nation to each of his sons as part of an inheritance. In this episode Yahweh is one of those sons:

Remember the ancient days;
bear in mind the years of past generations.

Ask your father and he will inform you,
your elders and they will tell you.

When the most high god gave the nations their inheritance,
when he divided up mankind,

he set the boundaries of the peoples,
according to the number of the sons of El.

For Yahweh’s allotment is his people,
Jacob is the portion of his inheritance.
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Hey Pervy,

In a short time Zerubabble will come along and tell you that “El� is generic for “god.�

If/ when he does this please show him Genesis 33:20, as the author seems quite confident that El is god’s proper name.

And he erected there an altar, and called it “El is the god of Israel.�

El elohe Yisrael
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Pervy,

The bible shows that El and Yahweh were two gods with different personalities. For example, it says Yahweh repents, and El doesn’t.

Exodus 32:14
Yahweh repented.

Numbers 23:19
El is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent.
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Pervy,

What do you make of this?

Psalm 89:6
For who in the skies can be compared to Yahweh, who among the sons of El is like Yahweh?
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