outhouse

it doesnt take long to fight cheap work with cheap replys


this statement you made is the best phrase in the whole thread


this points nothing in renes favor


im suprised you posted such a weak myther as rene for any sort of credible arguement.


Ive read all of his work quite a few times in the past and been found wanting my time back.




we all know the evidence for first century Nazareth is weak, I wont argue it. Its a fact.


but since the original town was more then likely built over and only at that time consisted of rude field stone houses that would leave little trace, and stopped by the church site.

we may never get more then the possible shard of pottery found in the bottom of the hole.



Ive argued against Nazareth for a long time before before believing a small fieldstone built village may have existed. really there is nothing valid that points to the fact it didnt exist.

when sitting in a place that cannot be dug or researched, its compounded

Toto

It indicates that the existence of Nazareth may in fact be unfalsifiable, just as the existence of Jesus.

No amount of effort in pointing out fraud of bias can penetrate this sort of argument.

What's your point? Why are you citing Christian apologists so uncritically? Why are you raising this unfalsifiable claim as some sort of hard truth that convinced you, a former skeptic?

Do we have any proof that you ever were a skeptic?

outhouse

because his work puts rene to shame, if you even bothered to read all the points raised.



sorry if im missing things, ive debated this so many times from all different angles.



we havnt even gotten into why roman authors would place their god in a garbage pit like Nazareth unless they believed it to be true

it would be a serious embarrassment for them to say he came from a place known to be a distgusting place "where no good comes from"

there would be no reason to place him there, and dont start with a imagined town, there had to be a a garbage pit of a place to live for the poor oppressed poverty stricken peasants who worked in Sepphoris in what amounts to slave labor

jews lived all over these hills, and this was a place where a work camp would have been, and thats a fact. the roman graves would have been far enough away from where the work camp would have been to not be a conflict the way rene states

Toto

What's next - why would they die for a lie?

aa5874

Please, there is ZERO evidence that the claim that Jesus lived in Nazareth was initiated by the Romans.

You are reading from the back of the PALMS of your hand with your eyes closed.

Please, I am tired of your continuous inventions.

Please, immediately present your source of antiquity that show it was Roman authorities that placed NT Jesus in Nazareth

Please, it would have been a GRAVE embarrassment to claim Jesus was FATHERED by a Ghost so it must have been true.

You cannot therefore DENY, based on your OWN embarrassment criteria, that Christians were embarrassed that Jesus of Nazareth was the story of a Son of a Ghost and claimed he was the Son of God like the Myth Fables of the Greeks and Romans.

Tenorikuma

I don't see what the big deal is. Surely no one thinks there is a historical case to be made that Jesus the Nazorean was from Nazareth whether the town existed or not. More likely he was from Cana or Capernaum or somewhere.

If it turns out Nazareth didn't exist in 5 AD, it's simply a fun piece of trivia, one more anachronism to annoy apologists with.

Grog

Here's another gem from Geisler's 'rebuttle':

The problem here is that the Gospels never set the "location of Sepphoris in relation to Nazareth.". No one, of course, argues that there were not "villages like Nazareth" within walking distance of "this major hub."

This is the best rebuttal you can dredge up? You applied the term "lackluster" to the wrong critique.

outhouse

the best?

Ive barely began.

the gospels show Nazareth as a dump hovel "where no good things can come from" yet place their deity as where it was raised.



Bethlehem would be a fictional addition to meet OT prophecy. Nazareth makes sense in the fact the authors believed he lived there, or would not have placed him in a dump

Grog

What makes you think this? Isn't this an argument from incredulity? You cannot think of a reason for why the authors would have made Jesus' hometown Nazareth, so they couldn't have unless it were true? I think you have a logical fallacy at work here.

jdboy

Yes and Josephus details those villages including a cave; "I also fortified, in the Lower Galilee, the cities Tarichee, Tiberias, Sepphoris, and the villages, the cave of Arbela, Bersobe, Selamin, Jotapata, Capharecho, and Sigo, and Japha, and Mount Tabor. (15) I also laid up a great quantity of corn in these places, and arms withal, that might be for their security afterward."
Nazareth is close to the village of japha but according to Rene not til after 70ad