spin

Your claims are not based on any scripture. You are making false claims and perverting scriptures by doing so.

Part of your fantasy.

Taking people into slavery was a frequent event in the ancient past. However, you misundertsand if you think the whole population was taken: it was usually the ruling class.

Persisting in your ignorance about a "Phoenician capital" doesn't help your case.

As to where Tyre was after Alexander, you've been told that twenty years later Antigonus Monophthalmus besieged Tyre, so obviously Tyre was again a going concern.

This must be still based on your unfounded notion that Tyre was the capital of Phoenicia. In fact, the cities were basically always independent of each other.

Today Tyre has spread out inland from the original settlement which Alexander linked to the mainland through a mole. Sedimentation around the mole has built up and made a wide strip of land and Tyre is flourishing.

Ground control to Major Huguenot, there's something wrong... Can you hear me Major Huguenot? Can you hear me Major Huguenot?

Umm, this nice piece of meaningless... ahh, rhetoric doesn't need a response, does it.


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Darklighter

LOL Sheshonq... Another excellent rebuttel. This thread has long outlived it's usefullness... The only way these people can make the prophecy succeed is to twist "god's word" into a pretzel, instead of reading it for what it really is.

Kudos everyone.

arnoldo

Think again; zeke 26


Nebby destroy Jerusalem: Historical fact.

Historical fact. Nebby attack mainland tyre 13 years. Check Josephus.

Nebby destroys mainlaind tyre. Historical fact.

Alexander the Great throws mainland tyre into the sea. historical fact.
Tyre gloated that Nebby destroyed Jerusalem. Result? Tyre was attacked by Nebby and Alexander the Great. The city was thrown into the sea

arnoldo

So Alexander the Great had a navy?

arnoldo

So Nebby had a navy, too. Wow, you skeppies can revise history,amazing!

Darklighter

Nebby DID NOT, nor did Josephus say he did, attack the mainland for 13 years. But Ezekiel doesn't even agree with you. The very first verses in the chapter say Neb will attack "TYRE AND HER DAUGHTERS ON THE MAINLAND". Ezekiel NEVER equates 'Tyre' with 'mainland', he's very consistent on that distinction.

However, if I'm wrong on this point, please post the relevant quote from Josephus that says Nebby spent 13 year attacking the mainland, and never bothered with the island.

So can you fundies, as the top quote shows.

Jack the Bodiless

Arnoldo: declaring falsehoods to be "historical fact" doesn't change actual falsehoods into actual facts.
Nope, falsehood. The mainland settlements weren't "mainland Tyre". Tyre was on the island.
Again, falsehood. Alex threw the mainland settlements into the sea, to REACH Tyre.
False. The city of Tyre remained on its island. Though badly damaged, it was rebuilt.

Incidentally, is it still your position that the people who completely rebuilt Tyre and then fought Antigonus 18 years later were actually time-travelling Muslims from the far future?

Jack the Bodiless

Actually, I guess the time-travelling Muslims could also explain the hypothetical 13-year survival of "mainland Tyre" against Nebby, if they went back a bit further. Presumably they had automatic weapons? Or maybe ray-guns, as presumably firearms would run out of ammo pretty soon. If they had a small nuclear reactor, that could recharge their ray-guns for 13 years before it eventually ran out of uranium/plutonium.

spin

It's not that you have any intrinsic reading disabilities. It's that you are wilfully blind when it comes to your faith. Your recourse to Ezek 26 has not been given any validity.

No joke!



You're joking. Mainland Tyre, as has already been seen (you remember Tyre and Ushu), is a misnomer that allows you to cling to your religiously biased errors.

When you cite sources, you cite them exactly or you waste your time.

You know that you are spreading fallacious material. Tyre and Ushu. Two separate entities. You are trying to claim that by taking out a Tyrian possession means fulfilling a prophecy about Tyre.

Mainland Tyre. Oh, the hypocrisy.... :wave:

Note, the Hebrew word for "coastland" [)Y] is also used to mean "island" (Isa 11:11, 24:15 -- some translations use "coastlands", but that's unconvincing). Shores of seas and rivers is usually GBWL.

Whatever the case, that "the )YYM shall tremble on your (Tyre's) downfall" indicates that Tyre isn't included among those who tremble because Tyre is supposed to have been what they were trembling about. The reference to )YYM is irrelevant.

Do you seriously believe this frivolous claim. I mean in all honesty do you? This seems to be a license for "you laughed at me, so my god's gonna blow you away". What a morally bankrupt sick little mindset.

So why did Tyre get attacked by Esarhaddon and Ashurbanipal? Get real, kiddy. Tyre was always a lucrative catch. it was always going to attract the interest of big powers because it was a good supply of finance. And Tyre usually coughed up the goods once squeezed enough.

Tyre as has been established was the island, as distinguished from the coastal city of Ushu. If you want to play a word game and call Ushu "mainland Tyre" in order to fulfill a prophecy, that might satisfy your religious commitments, but it won't satisfy any desire for the truth you may have.


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WVIncagold

Not to mention a 13 year siege is a pretty damn poor failure in anyones book. 13 years? after 13 years you pretty much call it home and settle in. No army sits for 13 years unless its just for show. It would of bankrupted Nebby no way he could of paid his regulars let alone the mercenarys which made up most of the worlds armies back then and without riches and plunder they didnt hang around long.