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Old 02-17-2004, 06:03 AM   #201
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Evidently you have never read on of Magus's posts. . . .
So now you drag in a thread non-participant to....what? Trash him?

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I love the arguments of:

Place X exists.
Document Y mentions place X.
Therefore document Y must be true.

Leaving Las Vegas? TRUE!
Buffy the Vampire Slayer? TRUE!
2001? TRUE!
Bram Stoker's Dracula? TRUE!
Nightmare Before Christmas? TRUE! (Christmas and Halloween exist...)
Odyssey? Iliad? TRUE! (They found Troy right?)
Judges? Joshua? Chronicles? Kings? TRUE! TRUE! TRUE! TRUE!
Yeah, some REAL serious history students here.
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"Try, dear Zyrkov, to cultivate a sense of humor!"

I would recommend not engaging in argumentum ad veritatem obfuscandam and actually provide the evidence asked for or just admit that it does not exist.

--J.D.
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Old 02-17-2004, 06:16 AM   #204
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"Try, dear Zyrkov, to cultivate a sense of humor!"

I would recommend not engaging in argumentum ad veritatem obfuscandam and actually provide the evidence asked for or just admit that it does not exist.
And I would recommend that you not insert unidentifed quotations from who-knows-where to do the very same thing: obscure the inconsistent attitudes reflected in this thread, attitudes wholly inconsistent with a true love of history, archaeology or, for that matter, veritas....

In archaeology, people seldom say "evidence does not exist", they merely say "we haven't found evidence of that sort yet".
Like the grave of Caiaphas before 1990.....

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Old 02-17-2004, 06:26 AM   #205
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And I would recommend that you not insert unidentifed quotations from who-knows-where to do the very same thing: obscure the inconsistent attitudes reflected in this thread, attitudes wholly inconsistent with a true love of history, archaeology or, for that matter, veritas....
On the contrary, the allusion applies as well to the above attempt to Poison the Well. The fact remains that we have asked for evidence and "answer there came none." Whine all one wants about "true love of history;" it proves rather hypocritical when no history has been cited as rebuttal.

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In archaeology, people seldom say "evidence does not exist", they merely say "we haven't found evidence of that sort yet".
Like the grave of Caiaphas before 1990.....
Non sequitur. This has nothing to do with the Exodus-Conquest.

Would recommend either production of the evidence or admission of failure to do so.

Otherwise, "why don't you relax and play a nice game of solitaire?"

--J. "Kindest, Warmest, Most Lovable Human Being in the Whole World" D.
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In archaeology, people seldom say "evidence does not exist", they merely say "we haven't found evidence of that sort yet".
Like the grave of Caiaphas before 1990.....
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Non sequitur. This has nothing to do with the Exodus-Conquest.
Apparently you've given up reading your own posts. For here is what you said in your previous post:
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I would recommend [...]actually provid[ing] the evidence asked for or just [b]admit that it does not exist.
So you:

1) Demand either (unspecified) evidence or

2) an 'admission' that is doesn't exist.

So when I answer:
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In archaeology, people seldom say "evidence does not exist", they merely say "we haven't found evidence of that sort yet". Like the grave of Caiaphas before 1990.....
it is not a non sequitur but an observation about your own illogic:
no one can claim that 'evidence' doesn't exist unless they are claiming an omniscience. But we've seen a bit of that on this thread too.....from the people who don't believe in omniscient beings......
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Old 02-17-2004, 06:38 AM   #207
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Then you engage in argumentum ad ignorantiam.

Unable to admit that you have no evidence for the Exodus-Conquest, you can only try the "perhaps we have not found it yet" apology.

This is not, of course, history or scholarship.

You have also been given evidence against the Exodus-Conquest you have yet to address.

Until you do so, you engage in non sequitur at best and argumentum ad veritatem obfuscandam at worse.

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On the contrary, the allusion applies as well to the above attempt to Poison the Well. The fact remains that we have asked for evidence and "answer there came none."
Youses "asked for" evidence of

1) things I never claimed(but which you've made a fetish of demanding that I 'prove').

2) that "Moses" is an Egyptian/Egyptian-derived name, something I learned in grammar school and which is universally accepted.

I have the vague impression that were this a thread about baseball, youses would demand proof that Mickey Mantle played the outfield for the New York Yankees.......sorry but if you don't know the ABCs then we have nothing to discuss. Better luck with the pseudo-Christian SPs.....
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We have evidence of the existence of Mickey Mantle.

You have yet to provide evidence for the Exodus-Conquest.

Now if you wish to backtrack and admit you have none, then that would be a moment towards intellectual honesty. You attempted it with a reference to Moses which others have demonstrated--with reams of bandwidth--did not actually prove or support an Exodus-Conquest.

You have also ignored the evidence against.

I would also not recommend you attempt humor in your argumentum ad hominem, particularly when you show up to the baseball diamond wearing a bikini.

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Tell me, what distinguished scholar of Near Eastern history did you get this little aphorism from???? Your claim to be a big history buff is belied by the dismissive way you have with narratives with which you don't want to agree......

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Apparently you missed the last two words of that sentence. Give me EVIDENCE; You haven't done so yet. We have as much evidence that the Exodus story is correct as we do that Zeus and the other Olympian gods exist (read none). Stop insulting us and try to actually provide some evidence if you want us to take you seriously.
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