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Old 07-23-2004, 03:37 PM   #511
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Surely you are not surprised that someone read your post and responded to it? (Sorry for calling you "Shirley")
yeah, yeah, fella thinks he can just pop in and pot-shot....

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I would respectfully disagree. Might I recommend as a good starting pointthis essay?
Thank you! Been looking for precisely that sort of essay!

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Before I respond, have you read the other texts? Start with the Epistle of Barnabas. The bit condeming abortion would be hard to explain as not "adding" anything!
Yeah, some, but, quantitatively, gay folks still get married, too...etc, etc, etc...imagine the impact of the last few verses of the Thomas Gospel!!!... back to my point...

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...my experience with knowledge mangement and scholarship has led me to believe anyone searching to be convinced of anything can find scholarly, authoritative data to do so...
man does what man wants to do...rationalization, rationalization, rationalization...
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Old 07-23-2004, 03:49 PM   #512
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I Chronicles was written after the Exile; the dualistic concept of God vs. Satan, the war in Heaven and all that goes along with it was co-opted from Zoroastrianism during the Exile. Therefore, Satan was available to take the blame for the bad stuff.
O.K. assuming that takes care of the contradiction between 2 Samuel and 1 Chron. (for the point of argument)

What about the contradiction between 1 Chron. 21 and the third account of the census at 1 Chron 27:24?
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man does what man wants to do...rationalization, rationalization, rationalization
I couldn't agree more.
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Old 07-23-2004, 04:03 PM   #514
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O.K. assuming that takes care of the contradiction between 2 Samuel and 1 Chron. (for the point of argument)
Oh, the contradiction's still there. It doesn't "take care" of it, it just gives a reasonable explanation as to how it came to be.

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What about the contradiction between 1 Chron. 21 and the third account of the census at 1 Chron 27:24?
I don't know.
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Old 07-23-2004, 05:56 PM   #515
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I don't know.
That's what I like about you. Straight, Simple, Correct answers that don't take three pages
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(Note that the first two chapters of Job are post-Exilic additions to the pre-exilic story of Job).
I don't doubt you - that explains a lot about Job, actually - but I've not heard this before detail before. Is there a source for this you could direct me to?

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That's what I like about you. Straight, Simple, Correct answers that don't take three pages
...pithy...
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All humans are already condemned to Hell by their own sin. Hell is the default for a sinner, because Sin can't enter Heaven. Getting to Heaven, requires redemption from sin, which only God can do.
Do you sin?
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Do you sin?
Remember that in evangelical and Messianic Jewish thought the saved person is considered righteous because the sacrifice of Christ is to applied to cover their debt. Thus whether or not the person sins is held to be irrelevant as that sin is covered over by this legal fiction.

Note that being considered righteous and being righteous are two different things; the first entails a legal standing whereas the second entails some sort of existential and ontological quality.
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Do you sin?
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