NOGO

Here we go again. I looked at your reference. Nothing new under the sun!

Bottom line -

GMt 1:17 is contradicted by the list of names which appears in I Chron 3 10:16 no matter what is stated in GMt 1-2:16

To fix this you need to show that there were 14 generation between David and the deportation.

Perhaps you have some other reference to give us.

rlogan

I realize this is a flood thread (which I have proven elsewhere to have occurred, worldwide, exactly when, and how) but I was intrigued by this NOGO observation and related retorts:

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Based on that pattern the reader is to be convinced that (a) God has planned all of this and (b) Jesus is the messiah.

The pattern in question is the 14-14-14 years between significant events in the history of Israel.
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OK, the messiah thing rests on Isaiah 11:1 for example (and although it is defeated by the virgin birth it is a relatively strong play).

But the 14-14-14 assertion intrigues me because NOGO argues that (essentially) we should be awed by the coincidence of numbers, and perhaps additionally that it is a multiple of seven - the number of days in the week. GAWD!! can it be so banal?!

I'd hope for more than that, like some ancient Sumarian "triple-14 before the dude lays waste to the bad guys" tradition.

How could you, Matthew?

Spenser

WOW!!!, that's an impressive assertion!

Prove it!

rlogan

Happy to do so my friend. Anyone can work it out for themselves once given a start. First, take any circle of your choice. Calculate this ratio:

(circumference/diameter)

Right after the last decimal place, God put all of the proof there for us to see.

Q.E.D.

Mullibok

This just in: pi is proof of a worldwide flood! My math classes obviously never teach me anything useful, this is far more intriguing than Abelian groups.

Seriously, this is almost too funny to have been posted with a straight face. Care to spell out how the two are related, or are you being facetious? I'm really not sure.

Mageth

I'll refer you to this thread for the answer.

Mullibok

Ah, thank you. Facetious it is!

rlogan

Mulibok, you've failed to attend to the first elementary proof. But since you mentioned Abelian groups, we'll work with something you are familiar with. I have worked out a proof for you using abelian groups:

Take the first elementary formula for giving the number of nonisomorphic finite groups of a given group order.

Simply read from left to right. God put it there too.

Q.E.D.

NOGO

You got it all wrong.
My claim is that the author of Matthew thought that you should be awed at the coincidence if numbers. However anyone reading the OT will realize that the coincidence is fabricated.

"Number of days in the week"
In the context of this discussion I would call it the number of days which God took to create the world. Get it? This God does things in multiples of seven - the magic number seven.

Is it a coincidence that the author of GMt deleted just enough names from the list in Chronicles to arrive at 14 ?

"Can it be so banal?"
When you look at what passes for prophecy of the coming of Jesus found in GMt I would say, YES!

If there were 14 generations between Abraham to David and 14 generations from David to the deportation then it follows that 14 generation after the deportation some important event was to take place. Matthew is arguing that the important event was the coming of Jesus which marked the LAST generation, the final call before the end of the world.

Mullibok

Interesting. Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.