ohmi

Since those calling themselves 'christians' almost all believe in the scripture, it seems relevant to show that the scripture shows unequivocably that they are not Christians unless they give up all sin during their life [before Jesus returns, or before death, whichever is sooner]

The scripture has more 'authority' than other documents simply because it was written by saints and prophets of God .

It has been well-mauled by vested interests in translation and private interpretations by man-made religions , but its redundant structure and symbolic structuring made it resilient ... its authenticity is evidenced by its demolition of paganised modern so-called-'christianity' of sinners [completely different from the Christianity of the scriptures ...and that apostasy prophesied there as inevitable, as further evidence]

spamandham

Again, on this board, that sort of claim is dismissed out of hand. This is a board filled with atheists. Your arguments can not start by assuming anything miraculous. No one's going to take you seriously if you keep it up.

Huon

Mr A : Are you a Christian ?
Mr B : Oh, yes ! How do you dare ask ?
Mr A : So, you depart from iniquity ?
Mr B : Oh, yes ! How do you dare ask ?
Mr A : So, you never told a lie, even just now ? :devil1:

Doug Shaver

Not until someone tells me who is authorized to decide who the real Christians are, and credibly explains how he or she got that authority.

There is no analogy there. People are practically unanimous about what it means to be honest, regardless of whether the word rightly applies to them.

I don't mean that it is not possible to falsely claim to be a Christian, but it has to be a deliberate falsehood. That is to say, if someone calls himself a Christian but does not actually consider himself one, then he not really a Christian. But that is not normally what people have in mind when they accuse some group other people of being not real Christians.

Doug Shaver

Your interpretation of scripture may differ. In any case, the opinions of the men who wrote the scriptures carry no more weight with me than your opinions carry.

ohmi

There seems no point in their carrying less 'weight' either, particularly when one actually considers what they said [as distinct from what religionists say that they said]

Doug Shaver

They scarcely could.

ohmi

What is not well understood is that they were never meant to, the real power is not force of arms or of money, but the truth about Love [equality, sharing, justice,... ] :-

Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

jules?

I can not get my head around that quote.

was the new Jerusalem that would come after the End be on Earth or in Heaven?

Are the Catholics right in the beleif that they are the 'meek' and new Jerusalem in Rome?

are the meek the 'poor' a.k.a ebonites or 144,000 virgin Jewish men who have not sinned by even the way of a sly wank?

What did Jesus say?

ohmi

[quote=jules?;5420313]As Jesus and the saints showed, people do not go to heaven at death nor in the resurrection , the firstfruit 144,000 rule upon the earth , the kingdom is come from heaven upon the new earth , not gone to heaven :-

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Rome did not come down out off heaven , nor is it mentioned in scripture that anything but Jerusalem is the holy city of God .

But the many differences [defined by scripture] between Hebrew Christianity of the saints and the Roman paganised apostate religion of sinners show Rome a prime source of the dogma of the antichrist [ the Latin 'Vicarius Filii Dei' actually means 'one in place of Christ', same as the Greek 'antichristos']

The 144,000 of Rev 7:3-8 are clearly sealed to become the royal priesthood [1Pet 2:9, Exod 19:6] who inherit rule in the new earth and minister to uncountably many who come by the broad way to Jesus later [Rev 7:9-10].

But the House of Israel were never Jewish , never accepted Judaism and were never accepted by the jews [House of Judah] because of their idol worship [which continues until reached by apostles of THEIR new covenant with God -Heb 8:8-12, Jer 31:31-34]

Thus most of the saints are not Jews ,but are of the House of Israel scattered amongst the gentiles and worshiping idols - until the good news of the Israelite Messiah [king come to unite the two Houses] reaches them.

Deuteronomy 28:64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.

Matthew 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the House of Israel.

Ezekiel 37:22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

Sinners today ignore what Jesus said, that he is sent only to the House of Israel , anything else is just incidental ...

It is the saints of the House of Israel who [as apostles, apparently from the gentiles] eventually bring in the few Jewish saints :-

Deuteronomy 32:21 I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

Isaiah 7:8 For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people.

1 Peter 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the House of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.