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Old 12-17-2010, 05:48 PM   #1
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Did Jesus Heal with Pot?

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... A rising tide of Christians not only smoke pot, but think Jesus used the drug. They're gaining mainstream legitimacy, challenging religious and political dogma, and sometimes going to jail for their faith in unprecedented numbers. Sure, Jesus rocked some - sandals, a beard, robes, and a message of everlasting love, but did he round out his hippie persona with dope?

According to pot historian Chris Bennett's chapter on “Early/Ancient History” in Dr. Julie Holland's The Pot Book - 2010 Park Street Press - Jesus didn't smoke pot, he rubbed it on people in the form of medicinal holy oil. Archaeological evidence shows Mesopotamia had been rife with the stuff since the time of the Assyrians until 400 years after Jesus' death. Through a strange story of linguistics, being a Christian literally means 'a person with pot oil smeared over their face,' Bennett says.

Bennett's a self-described Vancouver stoner/surfer-turned-hemp activist and weed historian. In short, he has a credibility problem. But the 48 year-old high school drop-out has become a leading authority on the topic. He's published three books, one with Neal McQueen, who speaks ancient Hebrew and is getting a PhD in Religious Studies. C. Scott Littleton, Ph.D., Professor of Anthropology, Emeritus Occidental College blurbed his last book as follows:
“As Chris Bennett amply demonstrates in this seminal book, the ritual use of cannabis has a very long history. It extends from Vedic India in the second millennium, B.C.E., where the hallucinogen in question was known as Soma, classical Greece, ancient Israel where it appears as keneh bosem, and the steppes of Central Asia, where, according to Herodotus in Book IV of his History, the ancient Scythians ritually inhaled the fumes given off by burning cannabis leaves. Indeed, the plant has consistently occupied a central position in shamanic cults almost everywhere.

“I heartily recommend Bennett’s book to anyone seeking a better understanding of this well-nigh universal, albeit all too often misunderstood hallucinogen and its crucial role in the history of human spirituality."
Bennett's chapter in The Pot Book is online here.
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This is the high quality of work we've come to expect from Biblical history crackpots.

...with the obligatory puns out of the way.

I suppose it's possible that "the anointed" (aka Christians) could really be related to some kind of drug based indoctrination. Paul's trip to the third heaven sure sounds like it involved drugs. ...and Revelation? A stoner wrote it without a doubt.
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We can't even confirm he existed at all, and they think they can show something that's not even in the text?
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I suppose it's possible that "the anointed" (aka Christians) could really be related to some kind of drug based indoctrination. Paul's trip to the third heaven sure sounds like it involved drugs. ...and Revelation? A stoner wrote it without a doubt.
The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross by John M. Allegro BTW, Allegro is a mythicist. In his opinion, Jesus was literally a mushroom.
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JG,

Allegro saw the mushroom Amanita Muscaria (aka fly agaric, the red toadstool with white flecks on the cap that you see in illustrations all the time) just about everywhere, by tracing Greek and Latin words back to Sumarian, Akkadian, etc. However, I think a lot of his etymological speculations are waaaay out there.

Allegro's analysis was spawned mainly by Gordon Wassons' book Soma: Divine Mushroom of Immortality (1960, I think), who identifies it with the Amantia Muscaria mushroom. It spontaneously grows in symbiotic relationship with conifer and birch trees (it has not been successfully grown in cultivation, I don't believe), and use of it has been documented with regard to Eur-asian peoples into the 19th century.

Although Bennett's thinks the anciant Soma/Haoma was bheng (the Indian word for pot), to his credit he gives a fairly full explanation of the alternative mushroom theory of the origin of Soma/Haoma, and admits that the actual substance used may have changed over the course of centuries as Aryan tribes migrated and their environments changed (possibly mushrooms gave way to bheng).

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I suppose it's possible that "the anointed" (aka Christians) could really be related to some kind of drug based indoctrination. Paul's trip to the third heaven sure sounds like it involved drugs. ...and Revelation? A stoner wrote it without a doubt.
The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross by John M. Allegro BTW, Allegro is a mythicist. In his opinion, Jesus was literally a mushroom.
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Actually, the book is not so bad. No broad generalizations, and cites a lot of sources, both primary (rig veda, etc) and secondary (scholarly).

I was surprised, though, that he did not cite Herodotus' History (4.73, 75) for a literary description of the use of Hemp, as a backdrop to the archeological evidence for its ritual use in burial as well as evidence for its personal use (through inhaling smoke from a smoldering cola contained in a censor).
73 ... After the burial, those engaged in it have to purify themselves, which they do in the following way. First they well soap and wash their heads; then, in order to cleanse their bodies, they act as follows: they make a booth by fixing in the ground three sticks inclined towards one another, and stretching around them woollen felts, which they arrange so as to fit as close as possible: inside the booth a dish is placed upon the ground, into which they put a number of red-hot stones, and then add some hemp-seed. [this apparently means the hemp colas, the blackened seeds of which curious Greeks observers may have found in the bowl afterwards]

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75. The Scythians, as I said, take some of this hemp-seed, and, creeping under the felt coverings, throw it upon the red-hot stones; immediately it smokes, and gives out such a vapour as no Grecian vapour-bath can exceed; the Scyths, delighted, shout for joy ...
(The History of Herodotus, tr. George Rawlinson, 1885).

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... A rising tide of Christians not only smoke pot, but think Jesus used the drug. They're gaining mainstream legitimacy, challenging religious and political dogma, and sometimes going to jail for their faith in unprecedented numbers. Sure, Jesus rocked some - sandals, a beard, robes, and a message of everlasting love, but did he round out his hippie persona with dope?

According to pot historian Chris Bennett's chapter on “Early/Ancient History” in Dr. Julie Holland's The Pot Book - 2010 Park Street Press - Jesus didn't smoke pot, he rubbed it on people in the form of medicinal holy oil. Archaeological evidence shows Mesopotamia had been rife with the stuff since the time of the Assyrians until 400 years after Jesus' death. Through a strange story of linguistics, being a Christian literally means 'a person with pot oil smeared over their face,' Bennett says.

Bennett's a self-described Vancouver stoner/surfer-turned-hemp activist and weed historian. In short, he has a credibility problem. But the 48 year-old high school drop-out has become a leading authority on the topic. He's published three books, one with Neal McQueen, who speaks ancient Hebrew and is getting a PhD in Religious Studies. C. Scott Littleton, Ph.D., Professor of Anthropology, Emeritus Occidental College blurbed his last book as follows:
“As Chris Bennett amply demonstrates in this seminal book, the ritual use of cannabis has a very long history. It extends from Vedic India in the second millennium, B.C.E., where the hallucinogen in question was known as Soma, classical Greece, ancient Israel where it appears as keneh bosem, and the steppes of Central Asia, where, according to Herodotus in Book IV of his History, the ancient Scythians ritually inhaled the fumes given off by burning cannabis leaves. Indeed, the plant has consistently occupied a central position in shamanic cults almost everywhere.

“I heartily recommend Bennett’s book to anyone seeking a better understanding of this well-nigh universal, albeit all too often misunderstood hallucinogen and its crucial role in the history of human spirituality."
Bennett's chapter in The Pot Book is online here.
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I had a dream a year or two ago in which Jesus gave me a huge bag of pot, a gallon zip bag size stuffed full. For free! I put it in my tote bag and before the dream was over, I accidentally grabbed another gallon bag of weed thinking it was the one he gave me. I stopped myself and said, "oh, thought that was mine but mine's in my bag. oopsie." Jesus said, "oh hey, go ahead and take that one, too!"

There was no oil in the dream, but I can attest to the magic of marijuana-soaked oil. I sometimes make capsules out of it using coconut oil and a coffee maker or crock pot and lots of fluffy keif. I then syringe it into empty gel caps that you can buy or just get a bottle of echinacea or something and empty them out. Take two and call me next Tuesday when you come down.
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He had the appearance of a physician,
since an unguent box was under his arm,
and a young disciple was following him
carrying a pouch full of medicine.


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During his 3 year political career he used pot, as well as ergot mold, lithium, psychedelic cacti, atropines, and alcohol to aid in miracles and heal the sick. "Eat the bread tainted with ergot mold. It is my body." The lithium tainted water supply which made the wine was of course his blood. What a narcotic bliss it was to hang out with Jesus back then. Imagine tripping and seeing some guy talking about anarchic and radical things no one has ever said before. I'd follow them around the desert for sure. All religion is in one way or another rooted in psychedelics, as well as human spiritual development its self. The Fatima hallucinations, Lazarus overdosing on atropine and the rest of the hallucinogenic miracles of Christ. There could be no other reasonable explanation, in my opinion. Not to say Jesus wasn't connected to a higher consciousness in some way, but he was tripping balls like everyone else around him was. Oh and pot, wasn't pot back then. Not like we think of it now. He was a major smoker that is for sure. They all were back then. Facts get distorted for whatever reason but if you're willing to set aside predisposition and forget everything you've been taught about drugs, you connect the dots and see that it was freakin Woodstock all day everyday if you were down with J.C and his crew.
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During his 3 year political career he used pot, as well as ergot mold, lithium, psychedelic cacti, atropines, and alcohol to aid in miracles and heal the sick. "Eat the bread tainted with ergot mold. It is my body." The lithium tainted water supply which made the wine was of course his blood. What a narcotic bliss it was to hang out with Jesus back then. Imagine tripping and seeing some guy talking about anarchic and radical things no one has ever said before. I'd follow them around the desert for sure. All religion is in one way or another rooted in psychedelics, as well as human spiritual development its self. The Fatima hallucinations, Lazarus overdosing on atropine and the rest of the hallucinogenic miracles of Christ. There could be no other reasonable explanation, in my opinion. Not to say Jesus wasn't connected to a higher consciousness in some way, but he was tripping balls like everyone else around him was. Oh and pot, wasn't pot back then. Not like we think of it now. He was a major smoker that is for sure. They all were back then. Facts get distorted for whatever reason but if you're willing to set aside predisposition and forget everything you've been taught about drugs, you connect the dots and see that it was freakin Woodstock all day everyday if you were down with J.C and his crew.
What an odd mix of wishful thinking, unsubstantiated assertions, urban legends, fantasy, and hyperbole that was!
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