Sai

Your exact words:

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"The water in the river is gone due to the Iraqi's misuse and the dam project."

" The Euphrates River has run dry in 2009."

"And I never said "the Euphrates has DRIED up"... I said "It is drying up", as foretold by John.

"I have said all along, "It's happening". I have never said "the river is completely gone"

"I think you are putting words in my mouth to suit your argument, and you're splitting hairs on this debate".

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You said that it has run dry. You also said it has evaporated. And that the water is "gone".

Nobody is putting words in your mouth. It is false to say anyone did.

Nobody claimed you said the exact words, "the river is completely gone".

You DID say that it has run dry, which it has not.

Instead of trying to put this off on someone else ("putting words, splitting hairs") can you just openly and honestly admit that what you said was in error?

Johnny Skeptic

Consider the following Scriptures:

Genesis 17:1-8

1. And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the Lord appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

2. And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

3. And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,

4. As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

5. Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

6. And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.

7. And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

8. And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Obviously, the partition of Palestine in 1948 was not a fulfillment of Bible prophecy since verse 8 says "all of the land of Canaan." From 1948 through today, the Jews have not occupied and/or controlled anywhere near all of the land of Canaan, and certainly not as an everlasting possession since there is not any historical evidence that Hebrews have ever occupied all of the land of Canaan.

The words "everlasting possession" surely indicated to ancient Hebrews that their descendants would have all of Canaan as an everlasting possession for many generations in this life, certainly not in a future life. If these are the end times, as you believe is the case, there will not be enough time for Jews to have Canaan as a possession for many generations, especially since Jews must have "all" of the land of Canaan in order to fulfill Genesis 17:8.

You should acquaint yourself with the issue of "self-fulfilled" prophecies. One link that discusses self-fulfilled prophecies is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy. Consider the following:

Logically, all that it takes to self-fulfill a prophecy is desire, and sufficient power. That is just simple common sense. If you predicted that you would go to school on Monday, and you went to school on Monday, all that it took for you to "fulfill" your prediction was desire and sufficient power, which you had, and certainly not supernatural power.

Regarding the Partition of Palestine in 1948, as far as I recall, the vote was 33 nations for the partition, and 13 nations against the partition. Regarding the 33 nations that voted for the partition, every government except for one government, the Russian government, was predominantly Christian, in other words, a stacked deck based upon the Bible, and of the 13 nations that voted against the partition, only one government, the Greek government, was predominantly Christian, but according to one source that I forget, only a nominally Christian government.

No rational person would claim that religious based bias and military power did not have anything to do with the Partition of Palestine in 1948.

In your opinion, how many failed Bible prophecies should it take to discredit the Bible? One interesting failed Bible prophecy is where Ezekiel falsely claimed that God would give Egypt to Nebuchadnezzar as a compensation for his failure to defeat Tyre. Another is where the author of Genesis falsely predicted that a global flood would occur.

Toto

To clarify, the BCH mods got tired of the same ol' prophecy arguments popping up again and again, and posted the warning in the stickied thread at the top of this forum that says Please Read Before Starting another thread on prophecy or other overworn topics.

This lead some phrophecy mongers to move the discussion to GRD, where the mods were probably caught unawares.

The purpose of these boards is discussion, not mindless repetition of slogans or preaching.

This thread can remain open provisionally. Just note that the idea that the formation of the state of Israel in 1948 is some sort of fulfillment of prophecy has been thoroughly debunked.

spamandham

No, I'm not suggesting it. I'm saying it's a historical fact. But feel free to explain why you think they picked the location of ancient Israel as a new home for European Jews, and then named it 'Israel'.

jakejonesiv

I think we need to go easy on IBelieveInHymn. Revelation chapter 16 is chock full of dire prophecies, and IBelieveInHymn can hardly be blamed for glomming onto just one. We may as well ask:


How come ugly and painful sores haven't broke out on the people?
Well, we might as well say that any body has a sore, the prophecy of Revelation 16:2 is in the process of fulfillment and Armageddon is on the way.

How come every last thing in the sea hasn't died?
Well, if anything in the sea has died, we might as well say the prophecy of Revelation 16:3 is in the process of being fulfilled, and Armageddon is on the way.

How come all the rivers and spring of the earth haven't turned into blood?
Well, if even one river gets a reddish tinge it is good enough for Armageddon to be on the way.

How come the sun hasn't scorched and seared eveyone so that they curse God?
What, no one has ever had a sunburn? Obviously, Armageddon is on the way.

How come men haven't all gnawed their tongues off?
My cousin bit his tongue last week! this is obviously the presage of the great eschtological tongue gnawing prophecy event of Revelation 16:10.

How come the Euphrates hasn't dried up?
Well, according to IBelieveInHymn, it is fulfilling the prophecy by just getting down to half strength. (Armagedon come on!).

How come the Kings aren't gathering at Armageddon?
Well, when they do, and they bring their armies with them, and then Jesus appears in the sky and melts their eyeballs, well then you doubters will see just hiw accurate Bible prophecy is.

How come the worst earthquake ever hasn't collapsed the nations?
Well, other earthquakes are leading up to the big one. Take that sinners.

How come 100 pound hail stones haven't fallen on men?
Sorry, but the hailstones are anticlimatic at this point. Be that as it may, hailstones usefully presage Armageddon by shutting the mouths of skeptics who do not believe in that Armageddon is hastened by hailstones.

Jake

IBelieveInHymn

Yes, I said "The water is gone". I didn't say the entire river has vanished. I said "the Euphrates is drying up"


Once again.. you misread what I write. I never said "The river has run dry". When I said "It will be Flowing", I meant how it was a few years ago.

I've said all along, "The Euphrates river running dry is a sign of the times". You are the one that is adding words to my posts, or simply mis-quoting me.

Yes, Once again.. I have said this all along. The Euphrates is losing massive amounts of water. The Book of Revelation said this river will dry up in the end of days. And I've said all along "It's drying up as we speak"... I never said the river is gone.

I fully understand that a dam can release water. Once again, you have misunderstood me. This is a political issue that probably won't be resolved.

My photo is proof that the river is dwindling. As foretold by John nearly 2,000 years ago.

Of course it's not dried up yet. We are in the final stages of the end. John said this specific river will dry up, and it's happening. There is no rebuttal against this event. What we are witnessing is the prophecy of John being fulfilled.

Actually, there is no debate on this issue. The Book of Revelation said this day would eventually come, and here we are.

You are trying to debunk this prophecy by claiming "the river is not dried up". well, not yet anyway. What will you say when the entire river is gone, and your little plan of releasing a dam fails you?

premjan

I wonder why there is no prophecy about the Colorado river running dry.

IBelieveInHymn

Because the Colorado river has no significance in the bible. The Euphrates river is the birthplace of human civilization. The message in Revelation is quite simple.

The Euphrates is the birthplace of human civilization.

But...

Once it's runs dry, it will be the end of human civilization.

Keith&Co.

So, you MEANT to say that SOME of the water is gone. That's not what you said.

So, you MEANT to say "Yes, when the Euphrates is flowing at greater capacity once again," That's not what you said.

You've said, all along, that the river HAS EVAPORATED, and IS DRY. Not drier, not evaporating, not lowering.... You've said that the sign for the end times HAS BEEN RECEIVED. Not that we're very, very close to getting the sign as was prophecized.

Yes, you really have. Maybe not in your own mind, but you have.

Well, that one made no sense at all. The cost of the dam, the time spent making it, as an answer to whether or not water will run through it? What did you even mean by that.

John didn't foretell dwindle. He said gone. You said fulfilled.


I don't have to debunk the prophecy. I'm debunking your repeated claims that it's fullfilled. It ain't, and it looks like it won't be.
As always, and i do mean each and every time, the claim that the world is ending or about to end have fallen flat. Dates have been given and passed. People have waited and gone home embarrassed. The Faithful have preached and speeched and then had to move because of the taunts when it failed to come to pass.
If and only if this one time 'my little plan' to live life as if such claims are worthless and we have to plan for tomorrow, falls flat, there won't be much to say.
You, the believers, will finally have outlived the scorn and taunts you faced every year for the last two thousand, when the world just runs along without paying much heed to cries of doom and gloom.

premjan

Is The Euphrates the origin of human civilization? The oldest human urban settlement is in Jericho, not near the Euphrates. Mehrgarh in the Indus Valley is older than any site in Mesopotamia as well.