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Malachi151 · 11-27-2006, 05:25 PM

These are connection that I am seeing, but I'd like to know if these seem reasonable:

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Matthew 26:
14Then one of the Twelve—the one called Judas Iscariot—went to the chief priests 15and asked, "What are you willing to give me if I hand him over to you?" So they counted out for him thirty silver coins. 16From then on Judas watched for an opportunity to hand him over.

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Amos 2
"4 This is what the LORD says: 'For three sins of Judah, even for four, I will not turn back [my wrath]. ... 5 I will send fire upon Judah that will consume the fortresses of Jerusalem.' 6 '... They sell the righteous for silver, and the needy for a pair of sandals. ... 11 I also raised up prophets from among your sons and Nazirites from among your young men. Is this not true, people of Israel?' declares the LORD. 12 'But you made the Nazirites drink wine and commanded the prophets not to prophesy. 13 Now then, I will crush you as a cart crushes when loaded with grain.

The connections above between Judah and Judas, selling the righteous for silver, and Nazirites and Jesus of Nazareth seems pretty conclusive to me, but I'm don't know the linguistics to make sure of these things.

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Matthew 26:
36Then Jesus went with his disciples to a place called Gethsemane, and he said to them, "Sit here while I go over there and pray." 37He took Peter and the two sons of Zebedee along with him, and he began to be sorrowful and troubled. 38Then he said to them, "My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me."

39Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."

40Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. "Could you men not keep watch with me for one hour?" he asked Peter. 41"Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak."

42He went away a second time and prayed, "My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done."

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Zechariah 12:
2 "I am going to make Jerusalem a cup that sends all the surrounding peoples reeling. Judah will be besieged as well as Jerusalem. 3 On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations.

Here, we have some cryptic prayers about a cup from Jesus, surrounded by references to Peter (whom he had just talked about also in the previous scene), and then we have a passage about Jerusalem being a cup, the nations going against her, and making her a "rock" (Peter).

Plausible?

I'd also like to know what possible scriptural connections there are between the Last Supper scene and other scriptures:

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Matthew 26:
17On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?"

18He replied, "Go into the city to a certain man and tell him, 'The Teacher says: My appointed time is near. I am going to celebrate the Passover with my disciples at your house.' " 19So the disciples did as Jesus had directed them and prepared the Passover.

20When evening came, Jesus was reclining at the table with the Twelve. 21And while they were eating, he said, "I tell you the truth, one of you will betray me."

22They were very sad and began to say to him one after the other, "Surely not I, Lord?"

23Jesus replied, "The one who has dipped his hand into the bowl with me will betray me. 24The Son of Man will go just as it is written about him. But woe to that man who betrays the Son of Man! It would be better for him if he had not been born."

25Then Judas, the one who would betray him, said, "Surely not I, Rabbi?"
Jesus answered, "Yes, it is you."

26While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body."

27Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. 28This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. 29I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom."

30When they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives.

Malachi151 · 11-27-2006, 06:55 PM

A few more questions.

What about his trial, any links to the OT texts?

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57Those who had arrested Jesus took him to Caiaphas, the high priest, where the teachers of the law and the elders had assembled. 58But Peter followed him at a distance, right up to the courtyard of the high priest. He entered and sat down with the guards to see the outcome.

59The chief priests and the whole Sanhedrin were looking for false evidence against Jesus so that they could put him to death. 60But they did not find any, though many false witnesses came forward.

Finally two came forward 61and declared, "This fellow said, 'I am able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days.' "

62Then the high priest stood up and said to Jesus, "Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?" 63But Jesus remained silent.
The high priest said to him, "I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ,[e] the Son of God."

64"Yes, it is as you say," Jesus replied. "But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven."

65Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, "He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses? Look, now you have heard the blasphemy. 66What do you think?"
"He is worthy of death," they answered.

67Then they spit in his face and struck him with their fists. Others slapped him 68and said, "Prophesy to us, Christ. Who hit you?"

Why the rich man that provides the tomb?

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57As evening approached, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who had himself become a disciple of Jesus. 58Going to Pilate, he asked for Jesus' body, and Pilate ordered that it be given to him. 59Joseph took the body, wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, 60and placed it in his own new tomb that he had cut out of the rock. He rolled a big stone in front of the entrance to the tomb and went away. 61Mary Magdalene and the other Mary were sitting there opposite the tomb.

Huon · 11-29-2006, 10:39 AM

http://www.case.edu/univlib/preserve...e-passover.pdf

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The celebration at the time of Christ was in this wise. The passover could be slain only at Jerusalem ; this brought an immense concourse together. Josephus (BJ vi. 9 3) telle us that on one occasion (some years before the siege of Jerusalem by the Romans) the number of paschal lambs rose to 256,500 ; as at least ten men must be reckoned to each lamb this would give us more than two millions and a half of men, not counting those who were ceremonially disqualified. Plainly this is a great exaggeration. Still it is certain that the concourse was so great as to make it impossible for it to find room within the city itself. Till midday on 14th Nisan the houses were being rid of all leaven (Pes.1 3 f. 3 6). In the afternoon the paschal lambs were slaughtered in various quarters of the town, their blood poured out by the priests at the altar, and the sacrificial portions offered. Then the lambs were again taken back by the several families to their homes. Not fewer than ten men and not more than twenty ate one lamb together. The bitter herbs and unleavened cakes were dipped into a kind of sweet sauce called haroseth. The meal began with a cup of red wine, blessed by the head of the house. The eldest son then asked the father what was meant by this feast and the answer was given by the father, or it might be, by the person who read the narrative of the institution. The Hallel (Pss. 113-114) was then sung, the second cup was drunk, and thereupon the meal strictly so-called was eaten. This over, with a prayer of thanksgiving the third cup was brought forward, and blessed as before by the head of the house. While Pss. 115-118 were being sung, a fourth cup was drunk.

Huon · 11-29-2006, 10:43 AM

What we see in Matthew 26 : 17 - etc. is not a description of a jewish passover, it is a description of the christian eucharist...

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