Plebe

Click here for Tomb of Jesus Website, Photos and Ancient Documents Known to Eastern Scholars

I have known a number of people from (Northern) India as well as the Middle East (Iran/Persia) who have shared with me similar oral traditions and now we see this on the Internet. What a surprise to see it here instead of hearing it from people born and raised in those areas! I wonder about the ancient documents posted at the site, any Eastern scholars on these message boards with professional information as well as any links from legitimate institutions in the Middle East with further documentation, feel free to share. These oral traditions and the differences in various sects of Christianity appear to be answered with these possible evidences.

Note the reference to the St. Thomas Christians in the direct cut and paste below this note. Also, further archaeological investigation and mention has pretty well ceased since the last formal research in the 1990's and the site owner has a provocative appeal to the Vatican on the Updates section:"If you work in the Vatican library, do your duty: share those documents. The information will surface anyway--sooner or later."

This appeal brought to mind an ex-Jesuit business associate who became an unbeliever after learning of many things not typically in the public domain but that are being revealed now-he's the one who told me that Catholic Rosary beads were fashioned after the beads of the Hindus and that Sir Frances Bacon had a pretty strong influence on the creation of the King James Bible which interestingly, the revisions and edited documents were conveniently concealed after the 'Authorized King James Bible' was created in service to King James I see Sir Frances Bacon and King James I Bible On another site discussing a number of controversial subjects a link revealing the homosexuality of Bacon as well as the King was given which, for anyone doing a report might find of interest here since it lists them in the right hand side bar titled 'The Great Queens of History' once you click through Gay History and Literature

Enjoy!

Here is just a sampling of materials from the site:

Meher Baba (February 25, 1894-January 31, 1969) is another example of the fact that Eastern and Indian peoples, high and low, have been aware for a long time that Jesus died in Kashmir, India at a ripe old age. It appears to have been common knowledge, especially amongst religious and literate peoples of the East, and especially before the advent of the power of Church Christianity.

Unfortunately, this knowledge almost became lost for various reasons, not the least of which was outside (Church) interference. For example, the original teachings of the St. Thomas Christians of India (also known as the Kerala Christians), who Western Christians are fond of pointing to as an "example" that St. Thomas himself (a disciple of Jesus) brought "Christianity" to India, did not include the idea that Jesus was the son of God. Those teachings also did not include the idea of the virgin birth, and Mary was not considered the "mother of God." (See W.R. Phillips', The Thirty-four Conferences between the Danish Missionaries and the Malabar Brahmans (Christians) in the East Indies, 15.)

Portugese coercion against the St. Thomas Christians of India also accounted for the change in their original teachings, as the Portuguese were determined to force St. Thomas Christians to adopt the doctrines of Western Christianity, specifically, in their case, the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church. An example of this coercion can be found in the Decree of the Synod of Diamper, near Cochin. This Synod was presided over by Archbishop Manzes. This decree forced the St. Thomas Christians of India to formally renounce their previous beliefs, and to adopt such Western Christian beliefs as Mary being the "mother of God."

The decree also forced them to use images, something that they had previously abhored. In fact, when the Portugese first introduced images to the St. Thomas Christians, their reply was, "We are Christians, not idolaters." (Gibbon, Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire, Vol. 6, 52).

As it says at the Church of South India website:

"Great confusion resulted from the arrival of Portuguese missionaries and Portuguese colonial rule at the end of the 15th century. Some of the Malabar Christians were converted outright to Western Christianity; others, although preserving parts of their liturgy and some of their customs, recognized the supremacy of the pope. Force and coercion were widely used to achieve these results."

Some Jesus-in-India writers believe that St. Thomas was with Jesus in Kashmir, and then went to south India to preach Jesus' message--a message, as you can see from above, that apparently had nothing to do with Western Christianity. Some Malabar history reports that the Portuguese would even resort to murder to coerce St. Thomas Christians to accept Western Christianity.

These days, opponents of the Jesus-in-India theory attempt to point to the St. Thomas Christians of India as "proof" that Jesus could not have gone to India. They claim that since the St. Thomas (Kerala, Malabar) Christians practiced Western Christianity, this shows that the Jesus-in-India theory is not true, since it opposes the idea that Jesus died on the cross. But the St. Thomas Christians did not originally believe that Jesus was the "son of God," as you saw above, and probably did not believe that he died on the cross for the sins of all humanity.

It is interesting to note that the Catholic Encyclopedia online claims that in the year 1604, a Jesuit recorded the original teachings of the Kerala Christians in what is called a "Report." Now, what is interesting is that that "Report" has not been made public since the year 1604, when it was first written. In short, for 398 years, the Catholic Church has apparently hidden from public this Jesuit priests' report that recorded what the original teachings of the St. Thomas Christians of India were. Even if the report were published tomorrow, after 398 years one would naturally wonder whether or not the report remains unchanged. Did the original report contain information about Jesus in India? Does it seem reasonable that that report has not been published in 398 years?

We believe that this is an example of why it is now important to begin to listen to those people of the East who not only have documents that show that Jesus went to India, but also have their oral traditions which state the same. One such man of the East is the late Meher Baba, who amassed a following of tens of thousands in India. He also amassed a following in the West, especially amongst entertainers and other celebrities. He is the person who coined the now-famous saying (popularized by the genius entertainer, Bobby McFerrin), "Don't worry. Be happy." This is what Meher Baba had to say about Jesus in India:

"There is one secret about Jesus which the Christians do not know. When Jesus was crucified, he did not die. He entered the state of Nirvikalp Samadhi (the I-am-God state without bodily consciousness). On the third day, he again became conscious of his body, and he traveled secretly in disguise eastward (with some apostles) to India. This was called Jesus' resurrection. After reaching India, he traveled farther east to Rangoon, in Burma, where he remained for some time. He then went north to Kashmir, where he settled. When his work was finished on earth, he dropped his body and entered Nirvikalp Samadhi permanently. Saints in India have verified these facts about Jesus' travels. Mankind will soon become aware of the true life of Jesus." [23 August 1925, Meherabad, LM3 p752]

It is very interesting that Meher Baba, back in August of 1925, stated that "Mankind will soon become aware of the true life of Jesus." Other people from the East, such as Dr. Fida Hassnain, Basharat Saleem, Sai Baba, Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, all have made similiar statements.

Apparently their predictions have come true. There are now a good number of books on Jesus in India. Also, The Tomb of Jesus Christ Website is now part of the dissemination of this fascinating theory. And we predict that more information will emerge in the future.

rlogan

Plebe - some of this stuff sounds similar to the "missing years" literature I read some yeas ago. I think Elizabeth Claire Prophet wrote something, stemming from an original Russian Author who claimed to have been to Nepal, I believe, where Jesus supposedly studied.

It's all quite fun, and I think there's good promise in securing evidence of the Yeti at the same time documetnary evidence of Jesus is found there.

I think the more substantive portion of your post is the differential traditions of the St. Thomas Christians (absence of virgin birth/Son of God view). That would be worth exploring...