gurugeorge

Curious to get some sense, from any learned Greek or Aramaic scholars here whether "I am the way, the truth and the life", either in "John"'s Greek or in some presumed Aramaic original, might conceivably be read as "'I am' is the way the truth and the life", or "'I' is the way, the truth and the life" (i.e. whether it might conceivably be construed in a non-dual sense, so to speak).

Julio

Just offering my opinion.
Well, read as it appears in the KJV, we could accuse Jesus of lying to Pilate, when he contradicted himself by replying to the governor that he [Jesus] was “a witness unto the truth”.
He was no more THE truth, but simply a christ “witnessing” about some truth he imagined existed [a revolutionary manifesto to overthrow the king of Judea, or so]. John 18:37.

There is also another very interesting “contradiction” in the same verse, when Pilate asked Jesus if he was a king.
“Art thou a king?”
Jesus had a fantastic opportunity to confirm revelation [to come 60 years later…] that he was not “a” king, but THE King of kings.
“Thou sayest that I am ‘a’ king.”
Jesus would not even dream that later on he would be labeled such a dramatic authority!
Therefore, the gospels are saturated with conspicuous contradictions, if the student has the freedom to point them out.

Note:
One Timothy 6:15 was probably written AFTER Revelation, because it is the only time when the title “King of kings” appears outside Revelation.
"Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords."

avi

This question, I suppose has already been addressed in an earlier thread, I haven't researched it, but,
how do we know what Pilate said to Jesus (or anyone else)?

Who reported the conversation between Jesus and Pilate back to which persons who then transmitted the conversation, orally, apparently, for several decades, until someone wrote it on a papyrus?

Why would a Roman governor waste his time talking to an itinerant rabbi, or terrorist (if bar abbas and jesus were one and the same person)? If he did talk to either of them, what mechanism was in place to record the conversation? Do we have any other recorded conversations from any other Roman governors in any other provinces?

Are there any records from the Sadducees or Pharisees of that era, confirming such a meeting, prior to execution of Jesus/BarAbbas or any other person?

Julio

Yours is an excellent question. Obviously, we’re only taking into account what is written, which forms an item of theological importance [for those stuck in that rut].
There is, after all, the preoccupation of the sacred text to leave out what could change the reading or doctrinal concept, if the antagonist or victim had the freedom to offer a defense, like in the outrageous story of Ananias and Sapphira, where none is allowed to argue the case against them!

LogicandReason

No...Christian apologist speculate that a Roman soldier, at this supposed trial, was later a convert and repeated the story. There are no historical records to support the notion. There are no references in the NT as to who witnessed this event but John 18 is somewhat ambiguous about where it happened. The other Gospels simply state that Jesus was taken to Pilate, but the writer (or later redactors) add to the other stories that Pilate came out to those who brought Jesus...this may infer that the scene is in front of a crowd. My bet is that the later written John is making an attempt to answer your question above.

Julio

Some Christian I challenged with this matter answered that it could only have been Pilate’s wife [Abrokla] “inspired by the Holy Ghost”, for the episode mentions her, too [Matthew 27:19].
About what Pilate would have retorted [to the messenger the wife sent] we have no clue.

LogicandReason

In an Arab version of Josephus' Jewish Wars there is a longer interpolation about Jesus (thought to be added after the 5th century) that suggests Jesus miraculously saved Pilot's wife on her deathbed. This interpolation is so obvious that most Christians do not cite it (of perhaps know about it). Of course your reference above demonstrates the creativity and exegesis of Christians when defending the Gospel novels.

Julio

You’re right.

But consider the dream the wife had.
"When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him,
saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man:
for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him." Matthew 27:19

What sort of dream was it?
She said she “suffered many thing”.
Even though it is a ridiculous question, was that dream Jesus’ Father attempting to save his son from the coming crucifixion?!…

That verse is a serious “blow/infiltration” in the drama, and it is ostensibly offensive AGAINST the “eternal plan of salvation” planned by an Omnipotent God, the supposed Father of the Lamb to be slaughtered for the remission of sins, etc.!

I find that verse a devastating misdemeanour of the so-called “Inspirer” the Holy Ghost, or whatever ghost it was!!

Can a scholar here tell me more about that verse, please?

kcdad

Wow. You guys have trouble staying " on task ". The question is about John 14:6


"2in the house of my Father are many mansions; and if not, I would have told you; I go on to prepare a place for you;

3and if I go on and prepare for you a place, again do I come, and will receive you unto myself, that where I am ye also may be;

4and whither I go away ye have known, and the way ye have known.'

5Thomas saith to him, `Sir, we have not known whither thou goest away, and how are we able to know the way?'

6Jesus saith to him, `I am the way, and the truth, and the life, no one doth come unto the Father, if not through me; "

Jesus is talking about the Kingdom of God and the authors of John got it all bolluxed up and they think it is about heaven...

Thomas says how do we get there and Jesus says simply, follow me and my teachings, in typical Middle Eastern hyperbole.

yalla

[QUOTE=avi;5860238]Once upon a time I constructed a little chart that marked the purported physical wanderings back and forth of Pontius at the trial as described by the author of "John".
From when he was inside talking to JC to when he was outside talking to the crowd, leaving JC inside, and then back in and then out and then in and so forth.
Do it yourself and you will see that, allegedly because the crowd could not contaminate themselves with the presence of a gentile on Passover, Pontius most obligingly does a lot of in and out.


Here is a brief version
18.29 Pontius Pilate [PP] and Jesus [JC] both inside the praetorium.
PP goes out to the Jews
33 PP goes back inside
38 PP goes out
19.1 PP inside
4 PP outside
5 JC brought out
9 PP and JC go inside
12 PP out
13 JC out