Clivedurdle

Mentioned in the gospels, does this help with dating the gospels?

http://www.message4muslims.org.uk/is...-civilisation/

http://users.misericordia.edu/davies/thomas/tomark1.htm

outhouse

No

Sheshbazzar

Psalm 118:22 was certainly penned a looong time before the first century.

And from my perspective this has nothing at all to do with arches or their keystones, or pyramids' with their 'capstones', but with the geometry of the foundation stone, at the bottom of a building, being the first one set in place, and 'to the line', from which the builders line is stretched forth, and from which every thing which is constructed 'foursquare' and 'upright' is built from and upon.
The language is strongly incorporated into Biblical Hebrew ideas and ideals of perfect cubic and rectilinear forms and constructions.
And is an expression of ancient views about the nature of time and space. Thus the strong focus on square and rectilinear patterns and constructions that are found throughout the Torah and the Prophets.
All of that careful measuring off and numbering of building elements was carefully calculated and served many practical purposes within ancient Hebrew society.



Sheshbazzar The Hebrew

Clivedurdle

As comments about caravans have been used to date documents, has anyone carried out a detailed study of the documents for technological anomalies, like Jules Verne mentioning Saturn V?

Cornerstones are a very important technological innovation, fascinating that Hadrian, who was very interested in architecture, doesn't get them to much later.

Cesc

As Sheshbazzar points out in relation to Ps 118, the words translated in the NT as "cornerstone" (κεφαλη γωνιας, head of the corner, and ἀκρογωνιαιον, being at the extreme corner/top of the corner) can mean either capstone (pyramid), cornerstone (foundation stone) or the one I believe you're thinking of, the keystone of an arch.
But the passages in the gospels are "copy/pasted" from the LXX.

sotto voce

Whether 'the head of the corner' is taken as cornerstone or capstone has been the subject of controversy. But surely it should be taken as both (though not simultaneously). If every stone is not aligned with the cornerstone, the first laid, the building will be unsafe. If a building is constructed, but the last stone, the capstone, will not fit on it, it is the wrong building. In terms of religious meaning, history surely demonstrates the truth of this, for theologians. The degree of true orthodoxy has always been correlated with social improvements.

In the gospels, the cornerstone/capstone is taken to be Jesus:

'God's household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone.' Eph 2:19-20 NIV

'In Scripture it says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."' 1 Pe 2:6 NIV

The only way that this helps in dating the gospels is that these were presumably written after the passages they quoted. Their meaning is that the gospel content is reliable and consistent with both the apostolic message (now the letters of the NT) and the prophecy of the OT (that effectively runs in every OT book). Ephesians in effect spells out sola Scriptura. So this figure helps in dating the possibility of the post-apostolic church to Wyclif and later, but it is not very helpful in dating the gospels, whose date may not be very critical.

Sheshbazzar

I'll add a few more hints here for those who have their thinking caps on.
The fashioning of a perfectly square or rectilinear cornerstone, building block, an entire building of any size starts with some very simple geometrical rules that are adhered to throughout the construction.
The First employed is what is commonly referred to as 'The Builders Rule' that being the simple equidistant units to construct the 3-4-5 layout of a 'right triangle'.
The 3 and 4 units forming the right triangle of 90 degrees (or 5400 minutes or 324000 seconds) has the sum of 7. With 5 units forming the diagonal, the total perimeter of this construction is 12 equidistant units.

Remember seeing these numbers 7 and 12 being prominantly used anywhere?

Of course you all know that the sum of the 30-60-90 degree, 3 angles that form a right traiangle are 180 degrees (or 10800 minutes or 648000 seconds)
Thus a simple rectangle so laid out would double each of these amounts.

Lev 19:35 Deu 25:15, Eze 43:10, Mic 6:10, Rev 21:15

What is 360? 1260 ? 2160 ? or 2520 ?

Should old Sheshbazzar be telling you of the extents of the measuring reed, the building line, and the plummet and how to use them ?

Nah. If you gave a damn you would have already been figuring it out for yourself.

ששבצר

sotto voce

Seven is the number of days of the lunar month divided by four. Twelve is the number of times you need to hear something to know that you have not misheard, multiplied by the number of main compass points.

How is this relevant?

Sheshbazzar

Hmm... Is that all that I asked ?

However, if you are unable figure it out what its relevance is, it is because the matter has not been revealed to you.

My advice to you then, is to study hard. And to pray earnestly for understanding.

On the matters of the Bible's sacred measures, and their present relevance; Because you have not believed, as yet you have never diligently inquired,
and because as of yet you have never diligently inquired, you have never found.

ASK, and you SHALL be given, SEEK and you SHALL find.....'
And that is the only way that you will ever know of the eternal relevance of these things for yourself.
May Elohi Israel deliver you from your darkness.


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sotto voce

No, but the other questions are even less sensible.