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maryhelena · 06-28-2012, 09:34 AM

Thanks, DCH, for that response.

Yes, I think that all the arguments do not negate the possibility that the Josephan writer did write the passage in question with the 'christ' mention. It's just too easy for some ahistoricists/mythicists to cry 'interpolation' - simply on the grounds of their ahistricists interpretation of the gospel JC story. To my thinking this approach to the Josephan passage is not only illogical - but also puts a stop to any further investigation of the Josephan writer. And that is where this debate should be going - investigating the Josephus writer instead of attempting to discredit him. Josephus needs to be put in the dock - and investigated as soundly and critically as any work done on the gospel JC story.

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MH,

I'd say it is not impossible. The disagreement of many is that Legomenou can be translated as both "so-called" and as "called." If "so-called christ" was meant, then either Josephus or an interpolator (say, a copyist) would be indicating his disapproval of such a title.

If it was Josephus, then it strengthens the argument that this "Jesus" was negatively described previously. That might make sense of Origen saying that "even though Josephus did not accept that Jesus was the christ, he nevertheless came close to the truth in saying ...". However, there is no tradition in Christian circles that Josephus actually spoke negatively of Jesus, or even relayed that Jesus claimed to be the christ.

If the term is from Josephus, it would be against his normal use, as the only other place the word christos is used is to describe the plaster used to cover the roof of the temple. He uses related words a lot, like chrism and the verb Chrio to describe to describe the anointing of, or the anointed status of, priests and kings, who receive some sort of sacred charge to duty. Josephus deftly disassociates the term christos from prophetic speculations. He had told Vespasian that HE was the person so designated by the Jewish sacred writings to rule "about that time." He COULD have called Vespasian God's anointed, as did "Isaiah" in the case of Cyrus the Great (45:1), but deliberately did not do so.

If a copyist added the term "legomenou christou", whether it was meant to have the meaning of "so-called christ" or simply "Jesus called christ", he may have just been stating his own opinion as to who this Jesus referred to was. In the circles of the copyist, "christos" could be a title for Jesus of the Gospels, or a technical term for an "anointed" High Priest (say, Jesus son of Gamalas) or one that was destined to be a High Priest (say, Jesus son of Damneus).

There were a couple of cases where it did seem to mean "so-called" such as in "a city so called" where a town is called a polis (city) even though it lacks a proper Greek constitution that goes with the name. Some of the Macedonian kings of Egypt and Syria often had nicknames such as Eukairos ("well timed", as in "just in the nick of time") accompanied by legomenos.

DCH

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There have been so many statements about what should be expected from Joe Cephus about "so-called". All of these forms are limited to the Middle Voice. But this is (I hope) every single case of every single form of Legomenos (so-called).

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Go ahead, nit pick ... and yes, I made a few changes to Whiston's translation. Note the wild difference in place names between the Greek and the English translations. I am not sure I like that in a translation ...

DCH

So, DCH, do I take it that you agree with LegionOnomaMoi, and Earl, that Josephus could have written the words "called christ' in the James passage?

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As far as word order goes, Legion claims there is nothing particularly un-Josephan about the phrase in Antiquities 20. OK, I'll acknowledge that.

DCHindley · 06-28-2012, 09:39 AM

LOM,

Because I didn't. In BW you can get a "verse list" with all forms of legw and the Greek of the verse, but since I am not a high falutin' Greek expert like you, I have to do it the hard way. I need to see a translation of each passage, so I can determine for myself how case and number affect the way it is used. If I don't do it the hard way, I don't learn anything.

DCH

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Roger,

The answer, of course, is "With great difficulty!"

I used Kalos 4.11 to create a chart of all forms of the participles of Lego. I copied and pasted the Middle Voice results into an Excel spreadsheet and broke up the data into several columns. Then I created a column for the Bibleworks code needed to search for these various participles in Josephus' Works, which is set up to display the Whiston English Translation and the Greek and a morphologically tagged Greek version. Then I copied the results for each search code (sans the Morphological version) into Word, cut & pasted to categorize them by case, then sex and number, copied that version to a new document, and cut away at the text until I had the right sized snippets.

Took about a day and a half.

Why didn't you just go to Perseus and search for all froms of "le/gw" in Josephus' works? Sure, you get extra hits (non-participial forms), but surely looking search results like this would take less time (I know, Tufts' servers are annoyingly slow, and thus the pages can take forever to load, but I've found that sometimes if you hit refresh or click on the link twice it loads right away instead of spinning its wheels forever)?

Note: once the link loads, for those not familiar with Perseus, just click on the blue link next to the work's title which says "More(798)"

DCHindley · 06-28-2012, 10:06 AM

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Go ahead, nit pick ... and yes, I made a few changes to Whiston's translation.

Ok, I will.

1. Would have been better to provide a link to Whiston's translation, so that we could compare his translation, with its defects, to yours.

BibleWorks gives the chapter subdivisions as they are found in academic editions, based on the Greek text. If you look in the appendices of Whiston's Josephus: Works you should see a table that roughly equates the beginnings of Whiston's chapter and verse divisions and that of the academic editions.

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2. What do you mean by "Middle Voice"?

Greek verbs have "voice" that indicate whether the subject acts upon the object (Active), or the subject is acted upon by the object (Passive). The Middle voice can mean both may apply at the same time. Some verbs only appear in their Middle form, but are used as active voice verbs. A participle represents the action of a verb but used as a noun modifier. Legomenos literally means "being.said".

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3. I thought that maryhelena's question, and stephan huller's comment, were both excellent, and hope you will share your replies;

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4. λεγόμενος would appear, from your excellent chart, to represent both Masculine and Neuter form, in the Nominative case, i.e. was this Christ deity described as Masculine, not Neutral? Is that logical? Why would a supernatural, omnipotent deity be presented in a merely masculine form? Does it follow, or is it a mere coincidence, that Hercules was also a male, in his human form, before ascending to Heaven, to reside for eternity with the Gods?

That is the beauty (and bane) of the Greek language, which conveys a lot of meaning in the way words end and sometimes start. Greek nouns are "inflected" which means they fall into defined forms. Nouns are either masculine, feminine or neuter in form. The sex of nouns often has nothing to do with the sex of the person it describes. Modifying words such as participles (a kind of verbal noun) take the form of the word they modify.

DCH

DCHindley · 06-28-2012, 10:15 AM

I've posted this before, but perhaps it can be posted again. Here are the results of my look at the verb CRIW, and the nound CRISTOS and CRISMA:

CRIW (to touch on the surface: to rub or anoint)

LXX/OG: Exod. 28:41; 29:2, 7, 29, 36; 30:26, 30, 32; 40:9f, 13; Lev. 4:3; 6:13; 7:36; 8:11f; 16:32; Num. 6:15; 7:1, 10, 84, 88; 35:25; Deut. 28:40; Jda. 9:8, 15; Jdg. 9:8, 15; 1 Sam. 9:16; 10:1; 11:15; 15:1, 17; 16:3, 12f; 2 Sam. 1:21; 2:4, 7; 5:3, 17; 12:7; 19:11; 1 Ki. 1:34, 39, 45; 5:15; 19:15f; 2 Ki. 9:3, 6, 12; 11:12; 23:30; 1 Chr. 11:3; 14:8; 29:22; 2 Chr. 23:11; 36:1; Jdt. 10:3; Ps. 26:1; 44:8; 88:21; 151:4; Sir. 45:15; 46:13; 48:8; Hos. 8:10; Amos 6:6; Isa. 25:6; 61:1; Jer. 22:14; Ezek. 16:9; 43:3; Dan-Theodotion 9:24

Josephus: Ant. 2:220 (to daub Moses' ark of bulrushes with slime); 3:198 (to anoint a priest); 4:200 (to white over with mortar); 6:83 (to anoint Saul with holy oil), 157 (to anoint a son of Jesse to be the Israelite king in place of Saul), 159 (to anoint a specific youth as above); 7:357 (the high priest and Nathan the prophet anoint Solomon with oil as king David's designated successor), 382 (repeat of Solomon's anointing with oil after David's death); 9:106 (a disciple of Elisha the prophet is given holy oil to anoint Jehu as king), 149 (7 yr old Jehoash is anointed king by the high priest Jehoiada); 19:239 (Agrippa the Jew anoints his head with oil before visiting the Roman Senate to mediate Claudius' appointment as emperor)

Perseus Project:
Aeschylus: Prometheus Bound (4)
Apollodorus: Library and Epitome (5)
Apollonius Rhodius: Argonautica (1)
Appian: The Foreign Wars (1)
Aretaeus: The Cappadocian (15)
Callimachus: Hymns and Epigrams (2)
Diodorus Siculus: Library (1)
Diogenes Laertius: Lives of Eminent Philosophers (1)
Euripides: Medea (2)
Herodotus: The Histories (6)
Hesiod: Works and Days (1)
Hippocrates: De diaeta in morbis acutis (3)
Homer: Iliad (4), Odyssey (16)
Homeric Hymns (2)
Pausanias: Description of Greece (3)
Pindar: Odes (1)
Plutarch: Agesilaus (1), Alexander (1), Aristides (1), Cimon (3), De Pythiae oraculis (1), Quaestiones Convivales (4), Quaestiones Naturales (1)
Sophocles: Trachiniae (4)
Strabo: Geography (3)
Theocritus: Idylls (1)
Xenophon: Anabasis (2), Cyropaedia (2), Minor Works (2), Works on Socrates (2)

CRISTOS (to be rubbed on, of persons, anointed)

LXX/OG: Lev. 4:5, 16; 6:15; 21:10, 12; 1 Sam. 2:10, 35; 12:3, 5; 16:6; 24:7, 11; 26:9, 11, 16, 23; 2 Sam. 1:14, 16; 2:5; 19:22; 22:51; 23:1; 1 Chr. 16:22; 2 Chr. 6:42; 22:7; 2 Ma. 1:10; Ps. 2:2; 17:51; 19:7; 27:8; 83:10; 88:39, 52; 104:15; 131:10, 17; Odes 3:10; 4:13; 14:14, 27; Sir. 46:19; Ps. Sol. 17:32; 18:1, 5, 7; Amos 4:13; Hab. 3:13; Isa. 45:1; Lam. 4:20; Dan-OG 9:26; Dan-Theodotion 9:25

Josephus: Ant. 8:137 (anointed with plaster); 18:63 (the Christ); 20:200 (called Christ)

Perseus Prioject:
Aeschylus, Prometheus Bound (1, ointment)
Euripides, Hippolytus (1, ointment)

CRISMA (anything smeared on)

LXX/OG: Exod. 29:7; 30:25; 35:12, 19; 40:9, 15; Sir. 38:30; Dan-OG 9:26; Dan-Theodotion 9:26

Josephus: Ant. 3:197 (a sweet ointment used to anoint priests)

Perseus Project:
Aretaeus, The Cappadocian (4)
Theophrastus, Characters (1)

DCH

LegionOnomaMoi · 06-28-2012, 01:30 PM

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but since I am not a high falutin' Greek expert like you, I have to do it the hard way. I need to see a translation of each passage

We "high falutin' Greek experts" have access to the online Thesaurus Linguae Graecae. Much better methods of searching and many more texts, but no translations.

LegionOnomaMoi · 06-28-2012, 01:42 PM

For example:

λεγομένη

1. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 1 chapter 160 line 6.
2. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 1 chapter 175 line 1.
3. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 4 chapter 162 line 1.
4. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 13 chapter 320 line 2.

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5. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 1 chapter 151 line 3.
6. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 3 chapter 172 line 5.
7. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 7 chapter 288 line 2.
8. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 8 chapter 181 line 2.
9. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 8 chapter 225 line 3.
10. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 8 chapter 293 line 2.
11. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 8 chapter 312 line 3.
12. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 17 chapter 25 line 2.
13. Flavius Josephus Hist., Josephi vita. {0526.002} Section 12 line 4.
14. Flavius Josephus Hist., Contra Apionem (= De Judaeorum vetustate). {0526.003} Book 1 section 111 line 1.
15. Flavius Josephus Hist., De bello Judaico libri vii. {0526.004} Book 5 section 51 line 4.

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16. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 1 chapter p line 15.
17. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 1 chapter 160 line 3.
18. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 1 chapter 174 line 4.
19. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 1 chapter 260 line 4.
20. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 2 chapter 6 line 2.
21. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 2 chapter 317 line 3.
22. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 3 chapter 248 line 5.
23. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 3 chapter 294 line 6.
24. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 4 chapter 82 line 4.
25. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 6 chapter 22 line 3.
26. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 7 chapter 10 line 2.
27. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 7 chapter 355 line 3.
28. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 8 chapter 306 line 1.
29. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 8 chapter 348 line 2.
30. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 9 chapter 271 line 2.
31. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 10 chapter 70 line 2.
32. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 10 chapter 114 line 4.
33. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 12 chapter 259 line 3.
34. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 12 chapter 340 line 1.
35. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 12 chapter 359 line 4.
36. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 12 chapter 397 line 2.
37. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 12 chapter 408 line 3.
38. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 13 chapter 394 line 2.
39. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 14 chapter 131 line 3.
40. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 17 chapter 171 line 6.
41. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 20 chapter 25 line 1.
42. Flavius Josephus Hist., Josephi vita. {0526.002} Section 64 line 2.
43. Flavius Josephus Hist., Josephi vita. {0526.002} Section 404 line 1.
44. Flavius Josephus Hist., Josephi vita. {0526.002} Section 420 line 3.
45. Flavius Josephus Hist., Contra Apionem (= De Judaeorum vetustate). {0526.003} Book 1 section 174 line 3.
46. Flavius Josephus Hist., Contra Apionem (= De Judaeorum vetustate). {0526.003} Book 2 section 21 line 3.
47. Flavius Josephus Hist., Contra Apionem (= De Judaeorum vetustate). {0526.003} Book 2 section 34 line 2.
48. Flavius Josephus Hist., De bello Judaico libri vii. {0526.004} Book 4 section 124 line 2.
49. Flavius Josephus Hist., De bello Judaico libri vii. {0526.004} Book 7 section 180 line 2.

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50. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 1 chapter 133 line 4.
51. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 1 chapter 160 line 1.
52. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 6 chapter 274 line 4.
53. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 9 chapter 11 line 2.
54. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 14 chapter 416 line 1.
55. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 19 chapter 13 line 3.
56. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 20 chapter 2 line 3.
57. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 20 chapter 118 line 4.
58. Flavius Josephus Hist., De bello Judaico libri vii. {0526.004} Book 7 section 226 line 2.

λεγόμενοι

59. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 11 chapter 31 line 2.
60. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 18 chapter 11 line 3.

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61. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 1 chapter 73 line 4.
62. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 1 chapter 108 line 1.
63. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 1 chapter 163 line 4.
64. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 1 chapter 203 line 1.
65. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 2 chapter 130 line 2.
66. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 3 chapter 192 line 1.
67. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 3 chapter 207 line 2.
68. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 8 chapter 92 line 1.
69. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 8 chapter 177 line 2.
70. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 8 chapter 182 line 3.
71. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 9 chapter 86 line 7.
72. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 13 chapter 303 line 5.
73. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 16 chapter 289 line 5.
74. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 18 chapter 22 line 5.
75. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 19 chapter 135 line 4.
76. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 20 chapter 203 line 1.
77. Flavius Josephus Hist., Contra Apionem (= De Judaeorum vetustate). {0526.003} Book 1 section 143 line 3.
78. Flavius Josephus Hist., Contra Apionem (= De Judaeorum vetustate). {0526.003} Book 2 section 285 line 1.
79. Flavius Josephus Hist., De bello Judaico libri vii. {0526.004} Book 1 section 72 line 4.
80. Flavius Josephus Hist., De bello Judaico libri vii. {0526.004} Book 1 section 504 line 1.
81. Flavius Josephus Hist., De bello Judaico libri vii. {0526.004} Book 1 section 590 line 3.
82. Flavius Josephus Hist., De bello Judaico libri vii. {0526.004} Book 7 section 56 line 4.
83. Flavius Josephus Hist., De bello Judaico libri vii. {0526.004} Book 7 section 415 line 1.
84. Flavius Josephus Hist., De bello Judaico libri vii. {0526.004} Book 7 section 424 line 1.
85. Flavius Josephus Hist., De bello Judaico libri vii. {0526.004} Book 7 section 426 line 1.

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86. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 1 chapter 95 line 2.
87. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 1 chapter 258 line 5.
88. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 1 chapter 331 line 2.
89. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 3 chapter 152 line 3.
90. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 3 chapter 162 line 1.
91. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 3 chapter 295 line 3.
92. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 6 chapter 360 line 4.
93. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 7 chapter 310 line 3.
94. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 8 chapter 95 line 5.
95. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 10 chapter 175 line 4.
96. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 11 chapter 329 line 4.
97. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 12 chapter 6 line 2.
98. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 13 chapter 10 line 2.
99. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 13 chapter 230 line 2.
100. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 13 chapter 309 line 5.
101. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 13 chapter 338 line 4.
102. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 13 chapter 370 line 3.
103. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 18 chapter 91 line 2.
104. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 18 chapter 315 line 4.
105. Flavius Josephus Hist., Josephi vita. {0526.002} Section 282 line 1.
106. Flavius Josephus Hist., Contra Apionem (= De Judaeorum vetustate). {0526.003} Book 1 section 238 line 2.
107. Flavius Josephus Hist., De bello Judaico libri vii. {0526.004} Book 7 section 256 line 2.

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108. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 1 chapter 39 line 1.
109. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 12 chapter 126 line 1.
110. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 13 chapter p line 53.
111. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 14 chapter 8 line 1.
112. Flavius Josephus Hist., Josephi vita. {0526.002} Section 4 line 2.
113. Flavius Josephus Hist., Contra Apionem (= De Judaeorum vetustate). {0526.003} Book 2 section 48 line 3.

λεγομένου

114. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 1 chapter 119 line 1.
115. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 1 chapter 133 line 5.
116. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 5 chapter p line 12.
117. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 6 chapter 28 line 3.
118. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 8 chapter 145 line 3.
119. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 12 chapter 412 line 2.
120. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 12 chapter 429 line 2.
121. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 13 chapter p line 55.
122. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 13 chapter 418 line 3.
123. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 17 chapter 319 line 2.
124. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 20 chapter 200 line 4.
125. Flavius Josephus Hist., Contra Apionem (= De Judaeorum vetustate). {0526.003} Book 1 section 118 line 3.

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126. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 1 chapter 123 line 2.
127. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 1 chapter 126 line 5.
128. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 6 chapter 71 line 2.
129. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 11 chapter 203 line 1.
130. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 19 chapter 281 line 2.

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131. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 1 chapter 80 line 2.
132. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 6 chapter 311 line 1.
133. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 6 chapter 377 line 3.
134. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 8 chapter 100 line 3.
135. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 8 chapter 163 line 2.
136. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 10 chapter 23 line 3.
137. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 11 chapter 109 line 2.
138. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 12 chapter 259 line 4.
139. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 12 chapter 369 line 4.
140. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 16 chapter 142 line 2.
141. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 17 chapter 87 line 2.
142. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 20 chapter 198 line 1.

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143. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 2 chapter 104 line 5.
144. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 3 chapter 85 line 3.
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λεγόμενα

1. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 1 chapter 105 line 3.
πρὸς τὸν νῦν βίον καὶ τὴν βραχύτητα τῶν ἐτῶν ἃ ζῶμεν συμβαλὼν
τὸν τῶν παλαιῶν ψευδῆ νομιζέτω τὰ περὶ ἐκείνων λεγόμενα τῷ
μηδένα νῦν τοσοῦτον ἐν τῷ βίῳ παρατείνειν χρόνον τεκμαιρό-

2. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 5 chapter 232 line 4.
τῶν διαφορῶν ἐπ’ αὐτὸν βαδιζόντων κύρια πάντα ἦν τὰ ὑπ’ αὐ-
τοῦ λεγόμενα. καὶ ὁ μὲν γηραιὸς τελευτήσας ἐν Ἐφρὰν τῇ πατρίδι
θάπτεται. @1 (5)

3. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 5 chapter 236 line 1.
δὲ τῆς Σικιμίων πόλεως, ἐκβοήσας εἰς ἐπήκοον τοῦ πλήθους ἡσυ-
(236.) χίαν αὐτῷ παρασχόντος ἠξίου μαθεῖν τὰ ὑπ’ αὐτοῦ λεγόμενα. γενο-
μένης δὲ σιγῆς εἶπεν, ὡς τὰ δένδρα φωνὴν ἀνθρώπειον προϊέμενα

4. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 10 chapter 90 line 4.
καὶ οἱ ἄρχοντες ἀκούοντες παρημέλουν, καὶ πρὸς ὀργὴν λαμβάνον-
τες τὰ λεγόμενα ὡς οἰωνιζομένου κατὰ τοῦ βασιλέως τοῦ προφήτου
τὸν Ἱερεμίαν ᾐτιῶντο, καὶ ὑπάγοντες δίκῃ καταψηφισθῆναι πρὸς (5)

5. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 16 chapter 378 line 2.
(378.) δρως αὐτοῦ πρὸς τὸν καιρὸν ἱσταμένου. διὸ καὶ πάνθ’ ἅπερ αὐ-
τὸς ἕκαστος εἴποιεν ἡδέως ἤκουον ὑπ’ ἐκείνου λεγόμενα καὶ τὸ
καθ’ αὑτοὺς ἀσφαλὲς ἐν τῷ σιγᾶν προορώμενοι τὴν ἐκείνου παρ-

6. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 18 chapter 229 line 3.
περιενεχθείς „ἀλλά σοι τῶν ἁπάντων καὶ τῆς ἐπὶ τῷδε εὐαγγελίας
χάριτες ἐν ἐμοὶ παντοῖαι γίνοιντο, μόνον ἀληθῆ τὰ λεγόμενα εἴη.“
(230.) καὶ ὁ ἑκατοντάρχης, ὅσπερ τῇ φυλακῇ ἐφειστήκει τοῦ Ἀγρίππου,

7. Flavius Josephus Hist., Contra Apionem (= De Judaeorum vetustate). {0526.003} Book 1 section 68 line 1.
γῆς κατοικοῦντας, καὶ τὰ μήτε γενόμενα παρ’ αὐτοῖς ἔθη μήτε
(68.) λεγόμενα γράφειν ὡς ἐκείνων αὐτοῖς χρωμένων ἐτόλμησαν. αἴτιον
δὲ τοῦ μὲν μὴ γιγνώσκειν τἀληθὲς τὸ λίαν ἀνεπίμικτον, τοῦ δὲ

8. Flavius Josephus Hist., Contra Apionem (= De Judaeorum vetustate). {0526.003} Book 1 section 229 line 2.
(229.) σθαι, μέχρι μὲν τούτων ἠκολούθησε ταῖς ἀναγραφαῖς. ἔπειτα δὲ δοὺς
ἐξουσίαν αὑτῷ διὰ τοῦ φάναι γράψειν τὰ μυθευόμενα καὶ λεγόμενα
περὶ τῶν Ἰουδαίων λόγους ἀπιθάνους παρενέβαλεν, ἀναμῖξαι βου-

9. Flavius Josephus Hist., De bello Judaico libri vii. {0526.004} Book 3 section 352 line 2.
(352.) ἐσόμενα. ἦν δὲ καὶ περὶ κρίσεις ὀνείρων ἱκανὸς συμβαλεῖν τὰ
ἀμφιβόλως ὑπὸ τοῦ θείου λεγόμενα, τῶν γε μὴν ἱερῶν βίβλων οὐκ
ἠγνόει τὰς προφητείας ὡς ἂν αὐτός τε ὢν ἱερεὺς καὶ ἱερέων ἔγγο-

10. Flavius Josephus Hist., De bello Judaico libri vii. {0526.004} Book 6 section 133 line 1.
ασμένον οἵ τε φίλοι διὰ τὸ μέγεθος τοῦ κινδύνου κατέσχον καὶ τὰ
(133.) παρὰ τῶν ἡγεμόνων λεγόμενα· πλεῖον γὰρ αὐτὸν ἀνύσειν ἔφασαν
ἐπὶ τῆς Ἀντωνίας καθεζόμενον καὶ τὴν μάχην ἀγωνοθετοῦντα τοῖς

tanya · 06-28-2012, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by LegionOnomaMoi

We "high falutin' Greek experts" have access to the online Thesaurus Linguae Graecae.

Thanks for that information, very helpful for we low falutin', low brow, lower forehead Geeks.

LegionOnomaMoi · 06-28-2012, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tanya

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegionOnomaMoi

We "high falutin' Greek experts" have access to the online Thesaurus Linguae Graecae.

Thanks for that information, very helpful for we low falutin', low brow, lower forehead Geeks.

Despite (apparently) appearances to the contrary, I'm not here to be an ass, but to share and learn like others. I will always make available any information, sources, etc., I can to others. You need only ask.

tanya · 06-29-2012, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by LegionOnomaMoi

Despite (apparently) appearances to the contrary,...

Apologies, if my intended light-hearted rejoinder, in the spirit of David's initial remark, gave anyone the wrong impression. We all welcome the input which both you and David provided here, on this thread, and in many other posts as well....
Thanks again to both you and DCH. Well done.

Adam · 06-30-2012, 12:03 AM

Amen
(Please excuse me if this four-letter word is not allowed here.)

06-28-2012, 10:15 AM	#24
DCHindley Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Mondcivitan Republic Posts: 2,550	Jiri's suggestion I've posted this before, but perhaps it can be posted again. Here are the results of my look at the verb CRIW, and the nound CRISTOS and CRISMA: CRIW (to touch on the surface: to rub or anoint) LXX/OG: Exod. 28:41; 29:2, 7, 29, 36; 30:26, 30, 32; 40:9f, 13; Lev. 4:3; 6:13; 7:36; 8:11f; 16:32; Num. 6:15; 7:1, 10, 84, 88; 35:25; Deut. 28:40; Jda. 9:8, 15; Jdg. 9:8, 15; 1 Sam. 9:16; 10:1; 11:15; 15:1, 17; 16:3, 12f; 2 Sam. 1:21; 2:4, 7; 5:3, 17; 12:7; 19:11; 1 Ki. 1:34, 39, 45; 5:15; 19:15f; 2 Ki. 9:3, 6, 12; 11:12; 23:30; 1 Chr. 11:3; 14:8; 29:22; 2 Chr. 23:11; 36:1; Jdt. 10:3; Ps. 26:1; 44:8; 88:21; 151:4; Sir. 45:15; 46:13; 48:8; Hos. 8:10; Amos 6:6; Isa. 25:6; 61:1; Jer. 22:14; Ezek. 16:9; 43:3; Dan-Theodotion 9:24 Josephus: Ant. 2:220 (to daub Moses' ark of bulrushes with slime); 3:198 (to anoint a priest); 4:200 (to white over with mortar); 6:83 (to anoint Saul with holy oil), 157 (to anoint a son of Jesse to be the Israelite king in place of Saul), 159 (to anoint a specific youth as above); 7:357 (the high priest and Nathan the prophet anoint Solomon with oil as king David's designated successor), 382 (repeat of Solomon's anointing with oil after David's death); 9:106 (a disciple of Elisha the prophet is given holy oil to anoint Jehu as king), 149 (7 yr old Jehoash is anointed king by the high priest Jehoiada); 19:239 (Agrippa the Jew anoints his head with oil before visiting the Roman Senate to mediate Claudius' appointment as emperor) Perseus Project: Aeschylus: Prometheus Bound (4) Apollodorus: Library and Epitome (5) Apollonius Rhodius: Argonautica (1) Appian: The Foreign Wars (1) Aretaeus: The Cappadocian (15) Callimachus: Hymns and Epigrams (2) Diodorus Siculus: Library (1) Diogenes Laertius: Lives of Eminent Philosophers (1) Euripides: Medea (2) Herodotus: The Histories (6) Hesiod: Works and Days (1) Hippocrates: De diaeta in morbis acutis (3) Homer: Iliad (4), Odyssey (16) Homeric Hymns (2) Pausanias: Description of Greece (3) Pindar: Odes (1) Plutarch: Agesilaus (1), Alexander (1), Aristides (1), Cimon (3), De Pythiae oraculis (1), Quaestiones Convivales (4), Quaestiones Naturales (1) Sophocles: Trachiniae (4) Strabo: Geography (3) Theocritus: Idylls (1) Xenophon: Anabasis (2), Cyropaedia (2), Minor Works (2), Works on Socrates (2) CRISTOS (to be rubbed on, of persons, anointed) LXX/OG: Lev. 4:5, 16; 6:15; 21:10, 12; 1 Sam. 2:10, 35; 12:3, 5; 16:6; 24:7, 11; 26:9, 11, 16, 23; 2 Sam. 1:14, 16; 2:5; 19:22; 22:51; 23:1; 1 Chr. 16:22; 2 Chr. 6:42; 22:7; 2 Ma. 1:10; Ps. 2:2; 17:51; 19:7; 27:8; 83:10; 88:39, 52; 104:15; 131:10, 17; Odes 3:10; 4:13; 14:14, 27; Sir. 46:19; Ps. Sol. 17:32; 18:1, 5, 7; Amos 4:13; Hab. 3:13; Isa. 45:1; Lam. 4:20; Dan-OG 9:26; Dan-Theodotion 9:25 Josephus: Ant. 8:137 (anointed with plaster); 18:63 (the Christ); 20:200 (called Christ) Perseus Prioject: Aeschylus, Prometheus Bound (1, ointment) Euripides, Hippolytus (1, ointment) CRISMA (anything smeared on) LXX/OG: Exod. 29:7; 30:25; 35:12, 19; 40:9, 15; Sir. 38:30; Dan-OG 9:26; Dan-Theodotion 9:26 Josephus: Ant. 3:197 (a sweet ointment used to anoint priests) Perseus Project: Aretaeus, The Cappadocian (4) Theophrastus, Characters (1) DCH

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LegionOnomaMoi Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 692	For example: λεγομένη 1. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 1 chapter 160 line 6. 2. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 1 chapter 175 line 1. 3. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 4 chapter 162 line 1. 4. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 13 chapter 320 line 2. λεγομένῃ 5. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 1 chapter 151 line 3. 6. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 3 chapter 172 line 5. 7. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 7 chapter 288 line 2. 8. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 8 chapter 181 line 2. 9. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 8 chapter 225 line 3. 10. 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Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 1 chapter 105 line 3. πρὸς τὸν νῦν βίον καὶ τὴν βραχύτητα τῶν ἐτῶν ἃ ζῶμεν συμβαλὼν τὸν τῶν παλαιῶν ψευδῆ νομιζέτω τὰ περὶ ἐκείνων λεγόμενα τῷ μηδένα νῦν τοσοῦτον ἐν τῷ βίῳ παρατείνειν χρόνον τεκμαιρό- 2. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 5 chapter 232 line 4. τῶν διαφορῶν ἐπ’ αὐτὸν βαδιζόντων κύρια πάντα ἦν τὰ ὑπ’ αὐ- τοῦ λεγόμενα. καὶ ὁ μὲν γηραιὸς τελευτήσας ἐν Ἐφρὰν τῇ πατρίδι θάπτεται. @1 (5) 3. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 5 chapter 236 line 1. δὲ τῆς Σικιμίων πόλεως, ἐκβοήσας εἰς ἐπήκοον τοῦ πλήθους ἡσυ- (236.) χίαν αὐτῷ παρασχόντος ἠξίου μαθεῖν τὰ ὑπ’ αὐτοῦ λεγόμενα. γενο- μένης δὲ σιγῆς εἶπεν, ὡς τὰ δένδρα φωνὴν ἀνθρώπειον προϊέμενα 4. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 10 chapter 90 line 4. καὶ οἱ ἄρχοντες ἀκούοντες παρημέλουν, καὶ πρὸς ὀργὴν λαμβάνον- τες τὰ λεγόμενα ὡς οἰωνιζομένου κατὰ τοῦ βασιλέως τοῦ προφήτου τὸν Ἱερεμίαν ᾐτιῶντο, καὶ ὑπάγοντες δίκῃ καταψηφισθῆναι πρὸς (5) 5. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 16 chapter 378 line 2. (378.) δρως αὐτοῦ πρὸς τὸν καιρὸν ἱσταμένου. διὸ καὶ πάνθ’ ἅπερ αὐ- τὸς ἕκαστος εἴποιεν ἡδέως ἤκουον ὑπ’ ἐκείνου λεγόμενα καὶ τὸ καθ’ αὑτοὺς ἀσφαλὲς ἐν τῷ σιγᾶν προορώμενοι τὴν ἐκείνου παρ- 6. Flavius Josephus Hist., Antiquitates Judaicae. {0526.001} Book 18 chapter 229 line 3. περιενεχθείς „ἀλλά σοι τῶν ἁπάντων καὶ τῆς ἐπὶ τῷδε εὐαγγελίας χάριτες ἐν ἐμοὶ παντοῖαι γίνοιντο, μόνον ἀληθῆ τὰ λεγόμενα εἴη.“ (230.) καὶ ὁ ἑκατοντάρχης, ὅσπερ τῇ φυλακῇ ἐφειστήκει τοῦ Ἀγρίππου, 7. Flavius Josephus Hist., Contra Apionem (= De Judaeorum vetustate). {0526.003} Book 1 section 68 line 1. γῆς κατοικοῦντας, καὶ τὰ μήτε γενόμενα παρ’ αὐτοῖς ἔθη μήτε (68.) λεγόμενα γράφειν ὡς ἐκείνων αὐτοῖς χρωμένων ἐτόλμησαν. αἴτιον δὲ τοῦ μὲν μὴ γιγνώσκειν τἀληθὲς τὸ λίαν ἀνεπίμικτον, τοῦ δὲ 8. Flavius Josephus Hist., Contra Apionem (= De Judaeorum vetustate). {0526.003} Book 1 section 229 line 2. (229.) σθαι, μέχρι μὲν τούτων ἠκολούθησε ταῖς ἀναγραφαῖς. ἔπειτα δὲ δοὺς ἐξουσίαν αὑτῷ διὰ τοῦ φάναι γράψειν τὰ μυθευόμενα καὶ λεγόμενα περὶ τῶν Ἰουδαίων λόγους ἀπιθάνους παρενέβαλεν, ἀναμῖξαι βου- 9. Flavius Josephus Hist., De bello Judaico libri vii. {0526.004} Book 3 section 352 line 2. (352.) ἐσόμενα. ἦν δὲ καὶ περὶ κρίσεις ὀνείρων ἱκανὸς συμβαλεῖν τὰ ἀμφιβόλως ὑπὸ τοῦ θείου λεγόμενα, τῶν γε μὴν ἱερῶν βίβλων οὐκ ἠγνόει τὰς προφητείας ὡς ἂν αὐτός τε ὢν ἱερεὺς καὶ ἱερέων ἔγγο- 10. Flavius Josephus Hist., De bello Judaico libri vii. {0526.004} Book 6 section 133 line 1. ασμένον οἵ τε φίλοι διὰ τὸ μέγεθος τοῦ κινδύνου κατέσχον καὶ τὰ (133.) παρὰ τῶν ἡγεμόνων λεγόμενα· πλεῖον γὰρ αὐτὸν ἀνύσειν ἔφασαν ἐπὶ τῆς Ἀντωνίας καθεζόμενον καὶ τὴν μάχην ἀγωνοθετοῦντα τοῖς

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