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Old 02-28-2004, 01:02 PM   #11
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I have not seen the movie and never intend to, but my impression was that the Satan character was played by a woman, but as an androgynous character (since any violation of sex roles must be pure evil), but that Satan was not meant to be a woman.
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It may not be Biblical, but Elizabeth Hurley sure made the concept....tempting. :notworthy
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Old 02-29-2004, 06:55 AM   #14
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It seems to be an enormous alteration to concieve of a female tempting christ and then gettin him killed. A female! Has not Gibson taken a great liberty here? Sure females are sinful creatures according to catholic theology, but that they are the leaders of the kingdom of hell is a new idea.
The serpent was a she and satan is a he. It's all role-play, sullster, wherein Adam was the illusion created in the tree of knowledge and 'she' was needed to do this. Whan Adam was banned he took Eve to be his wife can be interpreted to mean "when the ego was created he took the serpent to be his wife." Hence, when the ego was crucified Magadale (the serpent or Eve) was left without a mate.

This same is true with Michael and Mary or the "he-she" controversy of Gen.3:13 "he/she will strike at your head while you will strike at his heel. The male-female role-play is needed for intercourse=action.

From Coriolanus "know thou first, I loved the maid I married" which was the cunning "she-thing" to help him get where he got before he was slain.

Eve's a doll and a cunning serpent is an admirable quality in humans because satan alone is the idiot with the pitchfork who would act like a bull in chinashop. To be clever is a good quality and sometines we have to crawl if we can't walk.

They are note leaders of the kingdom of Hell. Adam is and only the Adam who is reborn from Eve instead of Mary who fails to be the second Adam and is therefore the spiritually enriched first Adam.
 
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IIRC, the Jewish Apocrypha contains stories of a female Satan - or perhaps just a wife of Satan. Guess what her name is, and friends of Frasier will love this: Lilleth


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The character "Pat" on " Saturday Night Live ",a bunch of years ago was a great portrayal of androgyny. But, such a Satan is ridiculous to me.

I am surprised that such a manly guy as Mel Gibson would go with an androgynous Satan. It seems that any character who is not totally unambiguously hetero male could not have power over his christ.
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The character "Pat" on " Saturday Night Live ",a bunch of years ago was a great portrayal of androgyny. But, such a Satan is ridiculous to me.

I am surprised that such a manly guy as Mel Gibson would go with an androgynous Satan. It seems that any character who is not totally unambiguously hetero male could not have power over his christ.
Well isn't Satan supposedly a fallen angel? And aren't angels androgynous?
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Where did you get that idea? Angels (messengers from God) in the Bible are always men, real men. It is only in the current, fluff-minded, theologically incorrect age that angels are portrayed as thin blond women.
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