aa5874

Even "Paul" claimed that he was NOT the first to preach the FAITH.

"PAUL" was the LAST to see the RESURRECTED Jesus.

Listen to "PAUL".

Galatians 1 In order to PERSECUTE the FAITH one MUST KNOW in advance and be ABLE to IDENTIFY the FAITH to be PERSECUTED.

Galatians 1.13 - "Paul" had ALREADY KNOWN, INDENTIFIED, and PERSECUTED the FAITH beyond measure BEFORE he was supposedly CALLED by God to preach the very FAITH.

There is NO source of Antiquity that place "PAUL" at the start of the Jesus cult and BEFORE the supposed Apostles.

Listen to "PAUL".

1 Cor. 15.8 "Paul" was Last in the NT story.

mrsonic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uALwh...yer_detailpage


in this video ,richard carrier says that the jewish judges were astonished by peters claim that the jews killed jesus and dismissed it as the illiterate ramblings of an illiterate commoner.

the jews say
"you even want to lay this mans blood on us"

if the crucifixion was an event of public note and exposure, how is it possible that the jewish religious leaders forgot about the jews crying out "crucify him" and " his blood be upon us and our children" ?

angelo

Those words were written by someone who was trying to shift the blame from the Romans. Obviously this was aimed at the gentiles, not the Jews who rejected this tale of a messiah, so as to make these evangelist seek converts outside of the Jewish religion.
Had this tale of a crucifixion and resurrection actually occurred as written in the babble, it would have been like the greatest earthquake to have ever happened in the history of this planet. The story would have circled the earth until every human in every part of the earth would have heard about it. Instead of around two billion christians existing, the whole over 6 billion people who populate this earth would today be christian.

spamandham

...or, the crucifixion is not historical at all. There is good theological reason to have the Jews crucify the messiah. It permits Christians to claim that since the Jews rejected the messiah, they are no longer God's chosen people.

aa5874

. And that is exactly what the Jesus story is about.

Jesus, sent by God, was rejected by the Jews and God caused the destruction of his OWN Temple.

Mr 9:31 - The Jesus story appears to be an explanation for the Fall of the Temple of the Jewish God.

It is MOST remarkable that in the Gospel stories Jesus did NOT say a single NEGATIVE word about the Emperors of Rome who were regarded as Gods or Pilate who wanted to ABOLISH the Laws of the God of the Jews, the very supposed FATHER of Jesus.

Antiquities of the Jews 18.3.1 In the Synoptics, it must be NOTED that Jesus was SENT by God to the JEWS specifically to WARN them that either they ACCEPT the Son of God as the Messiah or be DESTROYED.

And the ONLY so-called prophecy that was fulfilled in the NT was the Fall of the Temple and the destruction of Jerusalem.

It would appear that it was the FALL of the Temple and the destruction of Jerusalem c 70 CE that was the impetus for the Jesus story and NOT the crucifixion of an UNKNOWN man who was one of the thousands of crucified Jews and whose crucifixion would have had NO ability to save mankind from sin.

jgreen44

Another clue to this is Jesus equating himself with the Temple by saying, "destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up". Belief in Jesus was to replace the no-longer-existing Temple, city and religious freedom. Relative to pre-AD 70, the Jews were no longer powerful. But the risen Jesus was all-powerful and he was created to replace what had been lost in the Jewish wars.

aa5874

In the Synoptics, after the Fall of the Temple and the destruction of the Jerusalem, then will the END come or the day of Judgment shortly after the sun and moon shall be darkened and the Son of Man will come in the clouds of heaven.

Matthew24 This is Joel on the sun and moon.

Joe 2:31 -

This is the so-called prophet Daniel writing about the ONE like the Son of Man.

Daniel 7Now this is the Revelation of "John" AFTER the Temple had fallen and Jerusalem destroyed.

Revelation 21:1-8 - The REJECTION and Crucifixion of Jesus, the Son of the God of the Jews, caused the very God of the Jews to destroy the Temple and Jerusalem and this destruction supposedly SIGNIFIED that the Kingdom of heaven was a hand.

It was believed that there would be a new heaven, a new earth and a NEW JERUSALEM after the Fall of the TEMPLE.


It was NOT the crucifixion of a mere unknown Jewish man that triggered the Jesus story it was the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem which appeared to fulfill so-called prophecies found in Hebrew Scripture like Daniel, Isaiah, and Joel.