sugarhitman

ah according to historians no one really knows (because historians differ in their accounts of which part of Tyre started first) which city of Tyre existed first.

sugarhitman

Ah this is where critics refuse to accept the fact that mainland Tyre also had walls...because it was a city.

Sheshonq

From everything I've read, no such disagreement exists. If you think you have historians disagreeing, then present the historians and their various arguments.

But one thing historians do not disagree on is which was the overwhelmingly larger and more important - that was clearly the island city.

Sheshonq

If you have evidence of any walls, then present that evidence.

Of course, that still won't help you - the prophecy is specific about what kinds of actions Nebuchadnezzar's army will take in Tyre. Those actions cannot be fulfilled by simply attacking the mainland suburbs.

sugarhitman

God said he would punish Tyre because of their treatment of the Jews,"because you did not remember the brotherly covenant." God will punish descendents only if they continue in the sin of their fathers. Lebanon today is wholly anti Israel provoking Israel with terrorist acts. I will write more on this later.

Nero's Boot

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.....you just can't see it, can you? No matter how rational, easily verifiable and copious the evidence is, you simply can not see the false prophecy, can you? No matter how many times we prove you wrong, even using scripture itself, you can't grasp it.

--*sigh* cognitive dissonance at its shining best, s'pose NB

Sheshonq

Make up your mind.

First you say the prophecy hasn't happened because it's in the future. Now you are claiming that it was fulfilled, and the punishment was caused by Tyre breaking a covenant with Israel.

Which is it?

Except where it says that punishment will be visited unto the 7th generation, or where innocent children were wiped out by the Israelites during the alleged conquest of Canaan.

Incorrect. You apparently don't know anything about modern-day Lebanon either. Look up "druze" and "phalangist".

Responding to Israeli aggression is how some would put it.


That's what you said the last time someone asked you for evidence. OH, and that you were tired.

How long are you going to keep shoving an I.O.U. into the discussion? At some point you actually need to stop promising to support these claims, and get around to doing the actual support.

sugarhitman

"Tyre the largest and most important city-state of Phonecia, was located both on the mediterranean coast as well as a nearby island"....wikipedia. "Originally Tyre was populated on the mainland, with the island just offshore....Ancientworlds. "Early in the 6th century B.C. Nebuchadnezzar King of Babylon, laid seige to the WALLED CITY for 13 years. Tyre stood firm, but it is probable that at this time the residents of the MAINLAND CITY abandoned it for the safty of the island"...http://almashriq.hiof "Originally a mainland settlement , with an island city a short distance offshore...."www.middleeastuk.com "Tyre was originally a rocky island....www.lebguide.com "On the mainland opposite the island lay A CITY called Old Tyre by Menander, Strabo, Pliny, and others. It would seem however that the CITY in question was really called Ushu a name occuring in the Amarna Tablets and the Assyrian inscriptions....This legend seems to imply that the island city of Tyre was settled from the mainland. The accounts of Old Tyre VARY SO WIDELY that it is uncertain whether one or more places are meant, or whether sites are refered to which belong to different periods...www.ccel.org.

No one really knows which city started first. Some historians say the mainland settlement was a city others a suburb. No one knows the extent of the mainland city how far it penatrated into the mainland (www.ccel.org a site the critics are fond of quoting). Some historians say there were walls on the mainland others (mostly critics) say there were none. Nebuchadnezzar is depicted as laying seige to a mainland city with walls and by others an island city with walls. So which was the original city island Tyre or Old Tyre? Evidence points towards the latter. And if this is the case (i believe it is ) then Ezekiel's prophecy is dead on the money. Because the location of Old Tyre evident by the fact that Alex used it's ruins that was SCATTERD ON THE COAST LINE to build the causeway prooves its previous location. In that place now where the Roman hippodome? right behind the former coast line is a bare spot which is now a protected UNESCO heritage site ensuring that that no building will ever take place on that location....fulfilling Ezekeils prpohecy that it (Old Tyre) would never be built again. And modern Tyre today its main economic activity verses its former New York style elite trading system is now fishing. And because of Lebenese hostility to Israel which will reach a high point when the world war against Israel will be buried in the sea......The word Of God has come to pass....and will again...you can bet that....you most certaintly can bet that.

sugarhitman

dont be so impatient, I will explain these things in due time, as there is so many of you to respond to.

sugarhitman

The Jews are of Mesopotamien descent, but it is their culture wich distinguish them from their bretherens. The Lebenese may be descended from Phonecians, Philistines, Caananites etc. but their modern culture is completely different from that of their ancestors. The Phonecians are gone, their practices their talents which they had mastered, their culture is gone...forever.