Metacrock

Wikopeida

http://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/Yeshu

spin

Where is Yeshu ha Notzri mentioned in the Mishna? and I mean Mishna not Talmuds which are commentaries on the Mishna.


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Metacrock

Well I don't think you understand this. because you don't have it nailed down. Why don't you find some documentation to prove your point?

Jack the Bodiless

This is the guy who was stoned to death by the Jews and his body hung from a tree, right?

Not crucified by the Romans?

If he WAS a historical inspiration for the Jesus legend, but even the non-supernatural aspects of the legend are such a poor match: then maybe Jesus was a composite of several people (at least one of which was, presumably, crucified), and it becomes problematic to refer to such a composite as "the historical Jesus".

Peter Kirby

You can find a translation and discussion of the passage here:

Baraitha Bab. Sanhedrin 43a

It is a part of the Babylonian Talmud. It is not a part of the Mishnah. I know this because I have a complete and searchable Mishnah on my hard drive, the one translated by Neusner. Also because, of course, the citation is in reference to the Babylonian Talmud Sanhedrin 43a, never mentioning a tractate of the Mishnah.

The quote from the Mishnah that I made previously can also be found here ("This brief passage is the only presumed reference to Jesus in the Mishna").

Of course Baraitha Bab. Sanhedrin 43a can still be discussed as part of the Talmud. And of course I don't think someone is all wrong-headed because I notice something that isn't quite correct. I think it is best to try to stay in the realm of ideas and not that of personalities.

best,
Peter Kirby

spin

Oh, I love it: yet another attempt to shift the onus and avoid your own responsibility.

Let me make it clearer for you. You haven't got any information from the Mishna and are merely faking it by using such wonderful sources on the subject as Wikipaedia.

A good Mishna has fairly recently been published by Jacob Neusner (Yale U.P.). I suggest you read it or venerable Danby and stop blowing smoke.


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(I note Peter has also mentioned Neusner. Hmm, but an electronic version! How much space does it occupy?)

Peter Kirby

I think about three megabytes. It does cost $35 to get it.

Since you know Hebrew, see also:

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/b/h/h0.htm

http://www9.cc.huji.ac.il/snunit/kodesh/mishna/

best,
Peter Kirby

spin

Hmmm. Zippable?

Laziness is one of my few indulgences.


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Peter Kirby

Nope. You have to use the Logos software to read it.

best,
Peter Kirby

spin

Ahh, that just means they've already used a compression algo which necessarily means the text is scrambled. It's then just a matter of seeing which one.


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