spamandham

The Bible does not even state that they were returning to their former lands, so the point is moot. For all we know, the desert waste land where they wandered *was* their anscestors' former home.

Regardless, if someone else has made it home in the mean time, they no longer have a right to it. These were the days before title companies. Land ownership was determined by either occupancy or community acknowledgement. Neither existed when a land was abandoned.

This is nonsense even from the low standard I've come to expect from you. The 'land of Israel' was well outside the domain of Egypt, Biblically. You can not support this bizarro claim Biblically

No. The funnies you provide are more than enough to amuse all of us.

semiopen

From spamandham
Historically, I think Egypt controlled Canaan at the time of the virtual Exodus and also had the Sinai fortified, at least near the Mediteranean Sea.

Israel appears in Canaan around 1300 BCE, probably when Egypt was still in charge, but the Merneptah Stele from around 1200 is the first possible historical mention of Israel. The existence of the stele suggests Egypt's control was not firm at this point, but it does not imply Israel was an important player in the region. Joseph has referred to this in some other threads, and considers it unbelievable proof of something but I'm not anxious to find out what that is.

From storytime
This is an interesting point, where Toto properly questions the biblical part. From an anthropological point of view, I'm not aware of anyone suggesting this taboo has a function like this. Females usually outnumber males, in most situations. I don't see an advantage for forcing all males to breed. The Israelites, being herders, would have understood the mechanics of increasing the number and viability of offspring very well.

As a commandment, homosexuality isn't so serious, mixed in with having sex with a mother and her daughter at the same time, etc.

The death penalty is not such a big issue, but I notice it bothers some people. You can get executed for mixing incense wrong; this is in the morning prayer so an observant Jew gets to say this every day. I suspect it wasn't that easy to actually get executed in Ancient Israel. The talmud requires at least two witnesses and a clear warning I mentioned this in another post and someone opined that preTalmud this may have not been the case, which is possible but not easy to prove either way.

From storytime
This may be what you were referring to from:

http://frumheretic.blogspot.com/2009...ent-egypt.html

Joseph may be the homosexual brother as I mentioned earlier.

BTW, Aussie Joseph tends to be a little loose with the commandment

Lev 19-18

which is also said every day in the Chabad morning prayer.

It bothers me when other people are criticized, but more when my own are. I hope we aren't pushing the line here.

spamandham

Real history doesn't have much to do with the cartoon history depicted in the Bible. But since Joseph only accepts the cartoon version of history, I can at least demonstrate to him (although it'll go in one lobe and out the other) inconsistency in his view of history according to the Bible.

Biblically, there was no land of Israel prior to the exodus. Abraham and his family were not living in Jerusalem, they were roaming the countryside herding animals. They had no land to start with, and even if they had, they gave up claim to it when they abandoned it. ...and whatever theoretical land his tiny family may have claimed prior to that, it certainly was not the size of what was seized through genocide by the Jews after wandering in the desert.

Although our delusional friends will deny it even though it's what's written, the wandering Jews were not returning to their land, they were murdering others to steal theirs.

...none of this actually happened of course.

semiopen

The Hebrew bible is remarkable for the amount of unflattering stuff in it.

Also remarkable is the commentators twisting this stuff to make it seem favorable.

Because itr is universal, I thought there must be a rule somewhere that requries this twisting, but that does not seem to be so.

spamandham

We find the idea of genocide unfavorable. I don't think the writers did. These are the writings of a primitive cruel society.

storytime

I think you're under the wrong impression. It's NOT a crime when I cannot intervene due to the crime being not recognized as a crime by the crminals. iow, Israeli's, for example, kill innocent Palestinians children openly, public showing on US news. Israeli's don't see their crime as crime, (because God gave them the land and the command to "murder" - OT), just as the Islamist don't see their crimes as crime. Should I step in to tell either assholes they are murderer's of innocents? Where is my guilt? There is none. Why?

Iranians are happy in their own religion. What they object to is Jewish and Christian interference with their religion. Nor are they under a one party dick-tatership, but several sects within their nation tend to cause discord and chaos when allowed.

Nazi's are in the past. Let 'em stay dead and stop forcing that idealizm onto innocent people. iow, time to grow up and out of your hatred.

storytime

Distorting? No. It's you who is fabricating the collective lie. :Cheeky:

You said: "Israel never provoked anyone outside of the issue of her own land. Who else can make such a claim?"

Indeed! Who else would be ignorant enough to believe such a claim?

Maybe you're unaware that "Israel" was not the land. "Israel" was the people - in sons of Jacob. There's a big difference between people and land. And the land was called Canaan. So your claim is false. Israel never owned the land.

Expose myself? Hardly. Never had anyone disagree with your story?

I apologized for drifting off the topic. Now you have diverted the topic again. Why don't you start another thread and try to defend your "Hebrew" bible??

storytime

The advantage of forcing all males to breed was in purpose of increasing the population of Israel - sons(and daughters) of Jacob (today called Jews). At that ancient time Israel had yet to expand throughout the whole world as the world in countries was to be for the people of Israel to live and prosper - prolong their days on the earth.

We're not pushing the line, imo. Unless you fear being accused of anti-semitism. People tend to run for cover when discussing Judaism in particular. Criticism offers challenge to stagnate thought, would you not agree?

storytime

Jealous of their Saudi wealth are you? :lol:

Saddam was proven innocent because a little Texas turd lied and started a religious war, just as he admitted.

Know your math? I think you exagerate the numbers.

storytime

humm.. when Americans abandon their land, for whatever reason, and go abroad to live, and then return to America, they no longer own the land they once possessed. The principle of ownership is holding the land, not abandoning it.