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Duvduv · 06-11-2013, 02:08 PM

However, you cannot prove from that that the text of Acts did not accompany the texts of the epistles, can you?
Since the canon never lacked Acts or the epistles the set of texts always included both, and there is no evidence for the existence of one without the other in a canon.

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AA, why do you not consider an alternative, i.e. that the epistles and Acts were written as part of a pre-conceived SET, and therefore there would be no need to consider that the author of Acts did not know of the epistles? In other words, as a SET of texts, the author(s) expected the reader to be informed by all the texts which complemented one another. You have one interpretation for the absence of mention of the epistles in Acts, but there is an alternative.

Why do you not consider an alternative to your preconceived idea when you have no supporting evidence?

It is impossible for me to argue your imaginative position when you have not ever produce supporting evidence from antiquity.

I no longer accept imagination as an alternative. I absolutely must see your supporting evidence from antiquity in BLACK and WHITE.

This is BC&H--Not Sunday School.

The author of Acts shows no indication that he was aware of Pauline writings where it is claimed Paul SAW the resurrected Jesus.

The author of Acts repeated THREE times that Saul/Paul HEARD a voice.

Toto · 06-11-2013, 02:29 PM

Marcion's canon contained the epistles and a single gospel, without Acts.

stephan huller · 06-11-2013, 02:31 PM

So too Tatian

Duvduv · 06-11-2013, 02:51 PM

Could you please for once direct us to a museum or monastery or other location for an examination of the canon of Marcion and the Marcionites? Didn't Justin allegedly live in the time and place of Marcion and yet you must admit that Justin says not a word about a canon of Marcion of any gospel, memory of apostles or epistles.

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Marcion's canon contained the epistles and a single gospel, without Acts.

aa5874 · 06-11-2013, 03:20 PM

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Marcion's canon contained the epistles and a single gospel, without Acts.

Toto, you very well know that there is no actual evidence from antiquity for Marcion's Canon.

There was no Gospel of Marcion as stated by Tertullian's "Against Marcion".

Tertullian claimed he was using an ANONYMOUS writing which he attributed to Marcion.

Tertullian's "Against Marcion" 4

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Marcion, on the other hand, you must know, ascribes no author to his Gospel...

By examining Ephrem's "Against Marcion" it can be seen that Tertullian's claims are not corroborated. There is virtually nothing or very little mentioned of the Pauline Corpus or gLuke in Ephrem's "Against Marcion"

In Hippolytus Refutation of All Heresies it is claimed that Marcion used the writings of Empodocles and preached of Dualism.

In the writings of Justin it is claimed that it was the Memoirs of the Gospels and the books of the Prophets were used in the Churches and there was no claim whatsoever that Marcion had written a Gospel.

No written Gospel authored by Marcion has ever been found.

Chili · 06-11-2013, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by aa5874

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Originally Posted by Toto

Marcion's canon contained the epistles and a single gospel, without Acts.

Toto, you very well know that there is no actual evidence from antiquity for Marcion's Canon.

There was no Gospel of Marcion as stated by Tertullian's "Against Marcion".

Tertullian claimed he was using an ANONYMOUS writing which he attributed to Marcion.

Tertullian's "Against Marcion" 4

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Marcion, on the other hand, you must know, ascribes no author to his Gospel...

By examining Ephrem's "Against Marcion" it can be seen that Tertullian's claims are not corroborated. There is virtually nothing or very little mentioned of the Pauline Corpus or gLuke in Ephrem's "Against Marcion"

In Hippolytus Refutation of All Heresies it is claimed that Marcion used the writings of Empodocles and preached of Dualism.

In the writings of Justin it is claimed that it was the Memoirs of the Gospels and the books of the Prophets were used in the Churches and there was no claim whatsoever that Marcion had written a Gospel.

No written Gospel authored by Marcion has ever been found.

Just a different reading of the same Gospel to make anti-christ known, and they will die for that too in the most fancyfull ways following a recipe of choice.

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Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	Marcion's canon contained the epistles and a single gospel, without Acts.

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stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	So too Tatian

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