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Hooboy !! · 07-14-2005, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Magus55

The 144,000 are Jews. Why would JW's assume that its referring to them being saved? No gentiles are included in the 144,000.

In fact, the JWs believe all of the 144,000 will be JWs. According to them, no one is even eligible to be of the annointed until after the death Jesus.

sodium · 07-14-2005, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by hughmcjr

The 144k are jews and are already spoken for, the JW's are out of luck. It was OT belief.

Could people please give some reference as to where their assertions come from, beyond it's somewhere in the OT?

Quetzalcoatl · 07-15-2005, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Gullwind

While researching the JWs as a result of talking to this guy, I found out that the JWs, the Seventh Day Adventists and the Branch Davidians all started out as the same group, which splintered as a result of differing opinions on the meaning of the bible. I believe the JWs and the 7th Day group split first, and the BDs split off from the 7th Day group. This was all back in the late 1800s and early twentieth century. Charles Russell, the founder of all this, was also heavily into pyramidology. A lot of the doctrines and beliefs have a basis in that.

Just a nitpick. Charles Russell was not the founder of the original movement. He is responsible for the JWS. William Miller started the whole she bang.

vsop44 · 07-15-2005, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Quetzalcoatl

Just a nitpick. Charles Russell was not the founder of the original movement. He is responsible for the JWS. William Miller started the whole she bang.

David Icke ,if you can take him seriously ; states that the mormons and JW's are the same organisation . It makes for an interesting read if you're not prejediced about lizards .

http://www.davidicke.com/icke/articles/russell.html

Gullwind · 07-15-2005, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Quetzalcoatl

Just a nitpick. Charles Russell was not the founder of the original movement. He is responsible for the JWS. William Miller started the whole she bang.

I stand corrected. I was going off of what I remembered reading, and was focusing on the beliefs, rather than the people. Now that I think about it, I do remember Miller. Wasn't it the difference of opinion between Miller and Russell that split the original group into the JWs and the 7th Dayers?

Quetzalcoatl · 07-15-2005, 03:43 PM

I was a seven day Adventist for 19 years. Strangely I have this need to “defend�? them although I no longer believe their nonsense. Basically Russell started to doubt the Adventist interpretation of scripture. He made up his own with the required prophecies about when the word will end. A practice the JWS are still finding hard to relinquish. The failed prophecies do not seem to deter them though. For what it’s worth the Adventist has stopped this.

http://www.bible.ca/jw-history.htm

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Originally Posted by Magus55

The 144,000 are Jews. Why would JW's assume that its referring to them being saved? No gentiles are included in the 144,000.

Nah, they are Adventist who keep all of Gods commandments. Among the 144,000 are the faithful ones who have died in the threefold message since 1844.

badger3k · 07-16-2005, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Quetzalcoatl

I was a seven day Adventist for 19 years. Strangely I have this need to “defend�? them although I no longer believe their nonsense. Basically Russell started to doubt the Adventist interpretation of scripture. He made up his own with the required prophecies about when the word will end. A practice the JWS are still finding hard to relinquish. The failed prophecies do not seem to deter them though. For what it’s worth the Adventist has stopped this.

http://www.bible.ca/jw-history.htm

Nah, they are Adventist who keep all of Gods commandments. Among the 144,000 are the faithful ones who have died in the threefold message since 1844.

So basically, we have Jesus picking 144,000 Jewish men, 144,000 JWs and 144,000 Adventists all at once?

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