DavidfromTexas

Have you not read the scriptures?

(NASB) 1 Peter 1:24 For, "ALL FLESH IS LIKE GRASS, AND ALL ITS GLORY LIKE THE FLOWER OF GRASS. THE GRASS WITHERS, AND THE FLOWER FALLS OFF, BUT THE WORD OF THE LORD ENDURES FOREVER." And this is the word which was preached to you.


Because they are!

Chris Weimer

DAvidFromTexas - I find it highly insulting that you are insuinuating that not only me, but my family, my fiancee, and part of her family are liars. As part of being "false confessors" it's highly more likely that actually far more likely that all the people I've known who have deconverted were real Christians who found the truth and you just don't get it.

BTW - you don't need to quote scripture for us. I've already it long ago. Instead, why don't you use some of those upper thinking skills a million years has helped you evolve and quit acting like a monotonous robot programmed to respond to the same bullshit everytime.

Joe Bloe

Have you not read the scriptures?

Hebrews 6:4-6 - "It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace."

So, what is it, Dave? "Once saved always saved" or "lose your salvation and be extra damned"?

See, it's reading the whole Bible and seeing these sorts of contradictions, along with the atrocities showing that the ancient Hebrew tribal war-god Yahweh was capable of horrible evil (such as 1 Samuel 15 and slaughtering the Amalekites, even their infants, to punish their long-dead ancestors), and all the absurdities and errors, that can lead a fundamentalist either to a much more theologically liberal form of Christianity or to outright atheism.

In any case, the Bible itself is clear and convincing evidence (to anyone who doesn't refuse to admit the obvious truth right in front of him) that it is not the inerrant word of a perfect god. Sure, it has some wisdom and some truth and some good ideas in it. But so does quite a lot of what humans wrote a long time ago and other humans have saved over the millennia, such as Plato's Dialogues. And the Bible obviously also has contradictions, errors, and absurdities in it, revealing that its source is not divine perfection but flawed humanity.

DavidfromTexas

Who said that you were a liar?

Actually, the scriptures do indicate that all men are liars, but that is beside the point...

Self-deception and delusion can be very strong... If you continue to disbelieve until the day that you die, then you were never a true believer in the first place.



LOL!!!

"real Christians" are the ones that do not believe, correct?

What a joke.


The above is evidence to me that you were never a true believer.

Just accept it, you never truly believed. It's O.K., let go of your delusions.

Jack the Bodiless

David:

You never truly believed either. Just accept it, and let go of your delusions. As millions of people just like you have already done.

Julian

Of course, it is "bad." My way would still allow them to read and appreciate the 10 commandments, allow them to not have abortions, to pray when they want and so on. Their way would force me, against my will, to conform to their ways. My way is freedom to allow everyone to believe, or not believe, as they want. Their way is oppression by forcing everyone to conform to them. My vote does not take away from their freedoms, theirs take away from mine. Simple.
But non-religious people are, statistically speaking, smarter than religious people. The smarter you are, the better educated you are, the less likely you are to be religious, that is a proven fact. This isn't a question of "he says, she says" but simply an issue of measurements.

Julian

Phlox Pyros

David, you might want to tone down your sarcasm. Something that people like you (by that, I mean people who seem to want to convert atheists...i hope you are not here just to condemn!) don't seem to understand is that insults and strong language drive others away rather than toward your goal. If you are here merely to insult and degrade those you believe God made, then shame on you. You should leave and think harder about what you are doing.

DavidfromTexas

LOL!!!

Can you not read?

The verse says that it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to be brought back! Since it is impossible for them (those who have once been enlightened) to be brought back, then it is impossible for them to fall away. You simply do not understand what the verse is saying.


In other words, you have become the judge of God. You have placed yourself into the position of a judge, even higher than that of God.

And like the other poster earlier, it seems that you have not been once enlightened either.


It is clear and convincing evidence to those who have been blinded...


The wisdom of God is foolishness to man. The foolishness of God vastly exceeds the wisdom of man.

"For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain." (1 Corinthians 3:19-20)

Julian

No True Scotsman logical fallacy. I see you have brought your nonsensical posting style with you from your complete and utter defeat down in Evolution/Creationism forum.
Good argument, DfT!!! You think that up all by yourself? You're so smart!
Just keep going, DfT. You are dazzling us with your rapier wit, your keen insight and your ability to grasp even simple facts.
If you are referring to your posts, I agree. Frankly, your posts and your opinions aren't even a very good joke. It falls more into the realm of the pathetic...
No True Scotsman logical fallacy. Again. Why don't you look up a good list of logical fallacies, you know, just to make sure that you don't accidentally don't use one.
Just accept it, you never truly understand. It's O.K., let go of your delusions.

Now, are you going to contribute to this forum in some meaningful manner? Or can we expect more of these infantile posts?

Oh, by the way: VARVES

Julian

Phlox Pyros

Whole new can of worms. Fundamenatlist Christians do see you as taking away their freedoms. Things that have long been the norm have been taken away from them...prayer in schools (now even the moment of silence is being challenged...how utterly stupid and revengeful I find that), the 10 commandments that you mention that have long been displayed on walls are now being forced to be taken down. Life is changing for Christians, whether you see it or not, and I can understand why they feel that your vote is also "bad". Anyway, that's all I'll say on this because it is a big political mess that can't and shouldn't be talked about in this thread.

I will disagree with you on this until my dying day. I live in an city area where most are highly educated and inquisitive people, and I know that many of them are Christians. Statistics can be made to say anything, as I have seen many times first hand in my job. For instance, I would say that Penn and Teller are complete idiots, and not as intelligent as they think they are. I would also say that there are many atheist websites that misrepresent truths (mostly out of ignorance). But, non-religious people are definitely no less intelligent than religious ones.