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judge · 10-07-2004, 04:58 PM

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The NT Gospels were written in Greek, judge. This is clear to everyone without doctrinal axes to grind. They contain Greek idioms

Umm...they contain semitic idioms as well. Do you think there are more 'greek" idioms or more semitic idioms in the NT. We can count them if you wish.

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and Greek literary references, especially in Acts, where a number of scenes appear to refer to Greek literature. They also refer to the Greek version of the Torah, the Septaugint, on numerous occasions.

Vork this claim is just wrong. The NT refers to a version we no longer have. At times they seem to agree with the LXX and at times with the HB and at other times they agree with Aramaic targums.This article deals with theis WRT to Jeus sayings the same pattern can be found in the rest of the NT.

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They speak to the reader as if the reader does not know Jewish customs and practices, and when they do, they are sometimes wrong, as if they are not Jews. Further, they take the outside point of view in referring to "the Jews." They also translate -- for example, Luke makes a point of translating "Barnabas" and "Dorcas" while Mark explains "Bartimaeus." Had they been written in aramaic, that would make no sense. Neither would translating "Talitha kumi" for the reader of Mark. Why would an aramaic translator preserve the alleged aramaic and then give a definition?

Vork you haven't read the Aramaic of the passage you refer to. The aramaic does not contain the translation here. You haven't checked the facts here.

(snip)

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It's time to move on to new and more productive ideas. The Peshitta are later documents and the NT was written in Greek.

Vorkosigan

Should I move on when even you are making wrong claims? As demonstrated above?

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Vork here is

Mark 5 in Aramaic as you will notice there is no explanation given. The explanation is only in the greek translation

spin · 10-07-2004, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by judge

Umm...they contain semitic idioms as well. Do you think there are more 'greek" idioms or more semitic idioms in the NT. We can count them if you wish.

We've danced around some of your fake Aramaic idioms. Nothing up your sleave there either.

spin

judge · 10-07-2004, 05:33 PM

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We've danced around some of your fake Aramaic idioms. Nothing up your sleave there either.

spin

Really? Are you sure Spin or are you making this up. We have only looked at one IIRC. There are may many many more Semitic idioms in the NT.
You are ignorant of this fact? :huh:

spin · 10-07-2004, 05:37 PM

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Really? Are you sure Spin or are you making this up. We have only looked at one IIRC. There are may many many more Semitic idioms in the NT.
You are ignorant of this fact? :huh:

Your memory is poor.

spin

judge · 10-07-2004, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Vorkosigan

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The NT Gospels were written in Greek, judge. This is clear to everyone without doctrinal axes to grind. They contain Greek idioms..(snip)

The semitic style of the new testament

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Although the language of the New Testament is fundamentally the koine or "common" Greek of the period in which it was written, the New Testament authors wrote in a Hebraic or Semitic style which is not entirely idiomatic Greek. This stylistic character may be seen in several areas, including the grammar, syntax, semantics, and rhetorical features of the text. Particular examples of this style are called linguistic Hebraisms, or, more broadly, Semitisms (a term which covers Aramaic influences as well as Hebrew.

judge · 10-07-2004, 05:48 PM

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Your memory is poor.

spin

Perhaps.

There may be two or three...which hardly scratches the surface. :devil3:

spin · 10-07-2004, 05:52 PM

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Perhaps.

There may be two or three...which hardly scratches the surface. :devil3:

Maybe more. All baseless.

spin

judge · 10-07-2004, 05:52 PM

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We've danced around some of your fake Aramaic idioms.

spin

Danced??...O I thought you were having a seizure.

spin · 10-07-2004, 05:58 PM

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Danced??...O I thought you were having a seizure.

... a seizure of your throat because of your regurgitating the same old stuff over and over again.

spin

Toto · 10-07-2004, 06:02 PM

Ok, gentlemen. If there is nothing more to say of substance, you don't have to post.

Would it help if spin and judge had a formal debate to settle the matter once and for all? (So I don't have to read any more about this here?)

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Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	Ok, gentlemen. If there is nothing more to say of substance, you don't have to post. Would it help if spin and judge had a formal debate to settle the matter once and for all? (So I don't have to read any more about this here?)

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