Chili

Sorry, it was William Wordsworth. Lines 22-23 and later 163-165

Hnefi

But what, in Marvin's name, does that have to do with there not being any historical record of when the sun supposedly stopped moving? Because that was what you were arguing in the OP, was it not (although the OP is, admittedly, so difficult to read that I'm not entirely sure).

Where do you come up with this stuff? Obviously, both sound and light exists regardless of whether any mind is present to observe them. They are both waves that expand through their respective medium and not dependent on an observer in order to exist.

Ruy Lopez

This is merely creating a hypothetical case one does not meet in real life. It's an obvious given that is near inutile.

Also Chili started this topic and in an instant derailed his own topic to introduce repeatedly his esoteric non-useful reasoning. I think the position he takes is called solipsism.

Also, in my past experience (and I had an officemate who usually discussed in Chili's style), Chili's solipsism is one way of defending the indefensible teachings of religions, the Catholic and christian churches and the Bible. The argumentation style sidesteps the real topic and tries to make the skeptic look superficial.

If Chili is serious about his professed thinking on this board, he should allow us to blindfold him, cover his ears with cotton, and allow us further to place him in the middle of the street along the path of an oncoming truck. For Chili, the truck does not exist because he can't sense it coming. If he is correct, he should survive the encounter with the truck.

Chili

Yes they exist as waves but not as light or sound or evening would not follow the day. The message here is the when the sun stopped for the second time at Easter it never has to shine again because the celestial light will be ours. Rev.22:5 "The night shall be no more. They will need no lights from lamps or the sun, etc."

So unlike sound that can never be ours the celestial light pre-exists in us or it could never be ours to make the idea that the sun stopped a reality instead of a metaphor.

Edited to add: It is just an argument in defense of the OP.

John A. Broussard

You bear a heavy burden indeed. The one thing about Chili is that she/he makes the most obscure passages of the bible and the tiniest paragraphs in charge card information seem crystal clear.

Hnefi

Since you're not making any actual sense, I think I'll stop arguing now. I don't think you'll convince anyone with shamanistic esoterism like that though.

Chili

But the argument states that it can and did happen for the mythmaker who wrote about it . . . and this event occured in history or we would not be able to read about it today.Not solipsism at all. It is a common experience shared by the saints in heaven to which Rev.22:5 testifies and I used William Wordsworth to echo that sentiment.


I must run but will return later.

Chili

But I am not here to convince anybody of anything. It is just an argument in response to the alledged movement of the sun.

Chili

Of course I am serious but not stupid enough to have you blindfold me to get run over by this truck. The difference is that I am pointing at your blindfold that prevents you from seeing the QM train that is coming your way (don't ask me what it looks like but for Hardy it had the shape of an iceberg).

Evoken

In other words Chili, the Sun stops to those who are in Heaven because they are outside of time?