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11-12-2006, 04:42 PM | #251 |
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Just out of interest - has there ever been a case on this forum of one of these long argumentative threads ending in a poster stating that they were changing their position?
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The problem seems to be that you object to God giving you control over the distribution of that information. However, it seems to me that you actually want that control. What exactly is your complaint? Aren't you getting what you want? |
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I am an advocate for a society ruled by God. |
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One can read a bible wherever they are - potentially - but they can also, equally, be exposed to the other texts which tell a different story. So what would be the point exactly when: (a) The risk cannot be traced to anything but words (b) Those words may say different things to different people within the same religion. Some sects will ignore them all together. Some will interpret them literally. (c) Some of those words appear in other texts but the nature of the text fundamentally differs. Its always fun watching Christians and Muslims - sometimes they regard each other's future homes as hell. At others they get all warm and fuzzy at interfaith gatherings. Websites (designed by what appear to be indoctrinated children who are a bit simple, but turn out, embarassingly, to be mature adults) inform the visitor that we are "all looking at the same God from different perspectives." So just run that by me again - you're all looking at the same God but you're all - during moments of lesser empathy and understanding - looking at the same God responsible for sending you all to hell? And that this monotheism worships a trinity? Great arguments. |
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Aren’t you choosing what you believe? Are you claiming that there are forces at work that are causing you to believe that which you believe or are, at least, influencing you to believe that which you believe. In what sense do you not choose to believe what you want? |
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Incidentally, do you think that blasphemers should be executed by means of stoning, as the God of your interpretation of the Bible would have said, if He existed? Anyway, I will point out that you do not have proof of God’s existence, but you claim that He exists, and go on to advocate for the execution of millions of people, based on their sexuality or what they say about the alleged God. |
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Regarding the issue of homosexuality, there is not any credible evidence that the writers were speaking for God and not for themselves. As is true of practically every thread that you start or participate in, it always gets back to Pascal's Wager. I embarrass you on that issue every time that we discuss it. There is good evidence that the Bible contains errors and contradictions. In your opinion, how many reasonably provable errors and contradictions would it take to discredit the Bible? |
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For example, I’ll write the following text, with no contradictions and no errors that could be proven in any way but by pointing to the lack of proof of the claims. Text: :devil3: “The Goddess created the world. She commands that those who want to have eternal life, should advocate for adopting the following law: Anyone who advocates for the killing of gay people on Biblical grounds, either directly or by making those killings legal, should be put in prison for the rest of her or his life”. :devil3: Should we consider that wager as well? :devil1: Of course, the wager never makes any sense, not only because there are as many distinct religions as one wants to invent, but also because it’s impossible to actually believe because of a bet. I already pointed that out in my replies to rhutchin in this thread and the other, and explained that carefully, but he doesn’t seem to have changed his views. |
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