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mountainman · 03-07-2012, 06:51 PM

Computus (Latin for "computation") is the calculation of the date of Easter in the Christian calendar. However there are a series of "Easter controversies" about the proper date to celebrate the Christian holiday of Easter. To date, there are four distinct historical phases of the dispute and the dispute has yet to be resolved.

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The claim by the Roman Catholic Church in the 1582 papal bull Inter gravissimas, which promulgated the Gregorian calendar, that it restored "the celebration of Easter according to the rules fixed by ... the great ecumenical council of Nicæa"[29] was based on a false claim by Dionysius Exiguus (525) that "we determine the date of Easter Day ... in accordance with the proposal agreed upon by the 318 Fathers of the Church at the Council in Nicaea."[30]

The First Council of Nicaea (325) only stated that Easter was to be celebrated by all Christians on the same Sunday—it did not fix any rules to determine which Sunday. The medieval computus was based on the Alexandrian computus, which was developed by the Church of Alexandria during the first decade of the 4th century using the Alexandrian calendar.[31]:36

The Eastern Roman Empire accepted it shortly after 380 after converting the computus to the Julian calendar.[31]:48 Rome accepted it sometime between the sixth and 9th centuries. The British Isles accepted it during the 7th century except for a few monasteries. Francia (all of Western Europe except Scandinavia (pagan), the British Isles, the Iberian peninsula, and southern Italy) accepted it during the last quarter of the 8th century. The last Celtic monastery to accept it, Iona, did so in 716, whereas the last English monastery to accept it did so in 931. Before these dates other methods were used which resulted in dates for Easter Sunday that sometimes differed by up to five weeks

stephan huller · 03-07-2012, 11:03 PM

I'm pretty sure that Easter can't fall before March 25th, the original date of the resurrection (or crucifixion).

tanya · 03-08-2012, 12:01 AM

Here's an interesting article, on this subject, discussing both Meton of Athens (432 BCE), and the cycle that bears his name, and the politics of Nicea, Hillel II (350 CE), and the Roman weekly standard, changed, according to this web site, to seven days, instead of eight, as previously, at the council of Nicea.

http://endtimepilgrim.org/70wks5.htm

sotto voce · 03-08-2012, 05:23 AM

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Computus (Latin for "computation") is the calculation of the date of Easter in the Christian calendar.

Is the word 'Easter' found in the Bible?

Huon · 03-08-2012, 06:43 AM

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Is the word 'Easter' found in the Bible?

Of course, yes. JC spoke English, with an australian accent.

tanya · 03-08-2012, 12:51 PM

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Is the word 'Easter' found in the Bible?

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(Strong's 3957)

mountainman · 03-11-2012, 06:28 PM

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Is the word 'Easter' found in the Bible?

Of course, yes. JC spoke English, with an australian accent.

That was Herod the king who stretched forth [his] hands to vex certain of the church ...............

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Originally Posted by Act 12:4

And when he had apprehended him, he put [him] in prison,
and delivered [him] to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him;
intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

Toto · 03-11-2012, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Huon

Of course, yes. JC spoke English, with an australian accent.

That was Herod the king who stretched forth [his] hands to vex certain of the church ...............

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Originally Posted by Act 12:4

And when he had apprehended him, he put [him] in prison,
and delivered [him] to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him;
intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

"Easter" is only in the King James Version. All other translations have Passover.

mountainman · 03-11-2012, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tanya

Here's an interesting article, on this subject, discussing both Meton of Athens (432 BCE), and the cycle that bears his name, and the politics of Nicea, Hillel II (350 CE), and the Roman weekly standard, changed, according to this web site, to seven days, instead of eight, as previously, at the council of Nicea.

http://endtimepilgrim.org/70wks5.htm

Thanks for that info. Here's what it states:

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There was the matter of politics with Rome. There is good evidence that Hillel II was under pressure from Rome/Byzantium to abide by their new seven day cadence. The Romans had an 8 day "Nundinal Weekly Cycle" running in their pure solar non-lunar calendar. When they went to Council of Niceae they changed it to a seven day week. Did they align their seven day week with the Jewish 7 day week? Why would they? As they gathered at Nicaea the principalities and powers of Rome and the embedded compromised Byzantine Church were in no way inclined to align their seven day cadence with the seven day cadence of the Jews.

And when we track the Perpetual Calendar back to passion week which we know came in 32 A.D. and to a weekly cadence we know presented the Firstfruits Resurrection of Christ on Nisan 17 as the first day of the week, that being three days after the Nisan 14 Passover and crucifixion we know for a certainty that Hillel's calendar was forced out of synch with the earlier Jewish weekly cadence. In a word the Roman pagan cadence set by the Roman Church committees at Nicaea was forced on the calculated Hebrew calendar set forth by Hillel II, the one we have today.

I was not aware that the Romans had an 8 day week. I guess I'd better do some more reading.

This is also interesting ....

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The discovery of the Metonic Cycle by Meton was a great boon. It more or less predicted what an observer would see each spring. This 19 year calendar would predict whenever the new moon following Adar was going to fall short of the spring equinox. It would therefore predict the new moons quite accurately from month to month and predict the Nisan moon ahead of time and quite accurately from year to year.

The discovery of Meton of Athens was picked up by Jewish sages after the Talmudic period. The great Jewish scholar Hillel II incorporated the Metonic Cycle and calculated the lunar cycle as 29.530594 days and used this to set forth the Hebrew lunar calendar in 359 A.D..

sotto voce · 03-11-2012, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mountainman

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Originally Posted by Huon

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Originally Posted by sotto voce

Is the word 'Easter' found in the Bible?

Of course, yes. JC spoke English, with an australian accent.

That was Herod the king who stretched forth [his] hands to vex certain of the church ...............

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Originally Posted by Act 12:4

And when he had apprehended him, he put [him] in prison,
and delivered [him] to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him;
intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

A thread based on a mere translation, particularly a discredited one like the so-called King James, may be said to have no academic significance at all.

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03-07-2012, 11:03 PM	#2
stephan huller Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: seattle, wa Posts: 9,337	I'm pretty sure that Easter can't fall before March 25th, the original date of the resurrection (or crucifixion).

03-08-2012, 12:01 AM	#3
tanya Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: middle east Posts: 829	Here's an interesting article, on this subject, discussing both Meton of Athens (432 BCE), and the cycle that bears his name, and the politics of Nicea, Hillel II (350 CE), and the Roman weekly standard, changed, according to this web site, to seven days, instead of eight, as previously, at the council of Nicea. http://endtimepilgrim.org/70wks5.htm

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