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Old 06-20-2005, 04:07 AM   #1
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As far as I can tell, Judaism can't be much more than 3500 (perhaps not even the religion itself but when trying to find out how old it is I got dates such as 1800 B.C. etc.) years old. Why did God wait so long to tell people he existed, instead letting them worship "false gods" for centuries or even millennia? This is one thing that always bothered me about Christianity and Judaism. Am I wrong? And if I'm right, how do YEC's regard this issue?


P.S. Sorry if I brought up an old idea, the search didn't find anything relevant.
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As far as I can tell, Judaism can't be much more than 3500 (perhaps not even the religion itself but when trying to find out how old it is I got dates such as 1800 B.C. etc.) years old. Why did God wait so long to tell people he existed, instead letting them worship "false gods" for centuries or even millennia?
And worse, only reveal the True Religion to small groups of people, and reveal it in installments. And then run off somewhere and let that revelation be mistranslated and misunderstood and misrepresented. Which is bizarre for an entity that allegedly demands strictly correct belief, like some ornery theology professor, as Robert Price has said in The God Who Wasn't There.

It would be MUCH simpler to implant that revelation in everybody's consciousness, so as to save a LOT of trouble.

The same can be said of other revealed religions, like Islam.

This is a version of Theodore Drange's Argument from Non-Belief, which can be found in his pages in the II Library
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And worse, only reveal the True Religion to small groups of people, and reveal it in installments. And then run off somewhere and let that revelation be mistranslated and misunderstood and misrepresented. Which is bizarre for an entity that allegedly demands strictly correct belief, like some ornery theology professor, as Robert Price has said in The God Who Wasn't There.

It would be MUCH simpler to implant that revelation in everybody's consciousness, so as to save a LOT of trouble.

The same can be said of other revealed religions, like Islam.

This is a version of Theodore Drange's Argument from Non-Belief, which can be found in his pages in the II Library
Good post. Quoted for truth.
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And worse, only reveal the True Religion to small groups of people, and reveal it in installments. .
"For God so loved the world, that he sent his only begotten son -- along with all His other prophets -- to the same tiny area of the near east ... " :Cheeky:
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As far as I can tell, Judaism can't be much more than 3500 (perhaps not even the religion itself but when trying to find out how old it is I got dates such as 1800 B.C. etc.) years old. Why did God wait so long to tell people he existed, instead letting them worship "false gods" for centuries or even millennia? This is one thing that always bothered me about Christianity and Judaism. Am I wrong?
Perhaps - but I don't think so.
This is actually one of my stumbling blocks with Christianity and even religions in general: Since modern humans existed for at least 120 000 years (IIRC), what exactly makes us think that we've found the "correct" religion just today? Especially since religions usually are not open to empirical testing.

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They certainly think that all historians are wrong on this - nothing new: they are supposedly also wrong on the chronology of some ancient civilizations, which happily lived on under several thousands meters of water without noticing.
And maybe this is one (minor?) reason why they believe the Earth is young: They can not explain why their god should have waited > 100 000 years to reveal himself.
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As far as I can tell, Judaism can't be much more than 3500 (perhaps not even the religion itself but when trying to find out how old it is I got dates such as 1800 B.C. etc.) years old. Why did God wait so long to tell people he existed, instead letting them worship "false gods" for centuries or even millennia?
This is a good point. Of course "God," according to Christianity and Judaism, is a specific deity--Yahweh, god of the ancient Hebrews. Not only did he not reveal himself but to a small band of people, we are also to believe that the god of the universe wandered around in a tent for 40 years, concerned about every aspect of Israelite life, while taking a laissez-faire approach toward all of the non-Israelite peoples he created--except to the extent to which they interacted with the Israelites.
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"For God so loved the world, that he sent his only begotten son -- along with all His other prophets -- to the same tiny area of the near east ... " :Cheeky:

Come on, God knew that Emperor Constantine and people of Europe would eventually support Christianity for the next two thousand years. What a wise decision by the All knowing!!!!


Well, actually HE should send more than one Son.........one to China, one to India, one to America, etc...........no problem since HE is omnipotent, right?
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As far as I can tell, Judaism can't be much more than 3500 (perhaps not even the religion itself but when trying to find out how old it is I got dates such as 1800 B.C. etc.) years old. Why did God wait so long to tell people he existed, instead letting them worship "false gods" for centuries or even millennia? This is one thing that always bothered me about Christianity and Judaism. Am I wrong? And if I'm right, how do YEC's regard this issue?


P.S. Sorry if I brought up an old idea, the search didn't find anything relevant.

Maybe the world was like this forum, God is telling everyone in many ways but you guys don't want to hear. So you can't.

Whatever you put first in your life is your God,
if it isn't God its a false idol.
Money? sex? fame? self? other people?

If something is bothering you about christians or judaism, the problem is in you, not them.
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Maybe the world was like this forum, God is telling everyone in many ways but you guys don't want to hear. So you can't.

Whatever you put first in your life is your God,
if it isn't God its a false idol.
Money? sex? fame? self? other people?

If something is bothering you about christians or judaism, the problem is in you, not them.
I like how you went from a "maybe" musing to a concrete "the problem is in you" condemnation. That's some classic evangelism there. :down:
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Maybe the world was like this forum, God is telling everyone in many ways but you guys don't want to hear. So you can't.

Or maybe most christians are like you, assuming that God is talking to everyone in many ways when HE only lives in your dream.

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Whatever you put first in your life is your God,
if it isn't God its a false idol.
Money? sex? fame? self? other people?
Anything is better than a useless cross.......

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If something is bothering you about christians or judaism, the problem is in you, not them.
If something is not bothering you about christians or judaism, the problem is in you, not us.


Thanks for the entertainment. :thumbs:
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