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Clivedurdle · 06-28-2005, 04:14 AM

Isn't Judaism much newer than 1800 BCE? I thought 700 BCE was closer - Bible Unearthed.

Stephen T-B · 06-28-2005, 04:21 AM

"Maybe the world was like this forum, God is telling everyone in many ways but you guys don't want to hear. So you can't." (Jonesg).

This implies that the Jews were not God's chosen people; they just happened to be the first people to recognise the existence of the one true god.

Doesn't say much of the Biblical account, eh?

jonesg · 06-28-2005, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen T-B

"Maybe the world was like this forum, God is telling everyone in many ways but you guys don't want to hear. So you can't." (Jonesg).

This implies that the Jews were not God's chosen people; they just happened to be the first people to recognise the existence of the one true god.

Doesn't say much of the Biblical account, eh?

Correct,
God does not play favourites with the universe, He has no grandchildren and anything which speaks of seperation cannot be of God.
Jesus made that quite clear .

THere are those who say every word of the OT and NEwT are written by God and can't be wrong, thats their opinion and not taking it as such is a lie anyone can tell themself. Arguing with the opinion of others isn't a clever move. Gods message is in the bible, so are a lot of other things.

Stephen T-B · 06-28-2005, 05:04 AM

God's message in the Bible is that the Jews are his chosen people.
Isn't it?

Paradox · 06-28-2005, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jonesg

Maybe the world was like this forum, God is telling everyone in many ways but you guys don't want to hear. So you can't.

It's more like he's telling everyone so many different contradictory messages through so many different religious groups that nobody knows who they should be listening to. Even Christians can't pull together a message that they can all agree with. Just who or what is supposed to be his mouthpiece? You? Why should we believe you above any other believer of any other cult or religion who might happen to see things differently?

People like you just love to think that we don't want to hear.
Actually there are plenty of us that would love to hear and have tried very hard to do so. Unfortunately, we prefer not to continue deluding ourselves. Jesus is just an imaginary friend - at best the voice of your conscience, ambition or guilt.

jonesg · 06-29-2005, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Answerer

Or maybe most christians are like you, assuming that God is talking to everyone in many ways when HE only lives in your dream.

Anything is better than a useless cross.......

If something is not bothering you about christians or judaism, the problem is in you, not us.

If you were bothering me, that would indicate I have a tolerance issue, but you don't bother me, neither does any group , live and let live guys.

jonesg · 06-29-2005, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Demigawd

I like how you went from a "maybe" musing to a concrete "the problem is in you" condemnation. That's some classic evangelism there. :down:

Is that a condemnation. ?
If people bother me I look at me, its called responsibility, the opposite of blaming.

Or is that more condemnation ?

jonesg · 06-29-2005, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Paradox

It's more like he's telling everyone so many different contradictory messages through so many different religious groups that nobody knows who they should be listening to. Even Christians can't pull together a message that they can all agree with. Just who or what is supposed to be his mouthpiece? You? Why should we believe you above any other believer of any other cult or religion who might happen to see things differently?

People like you just love to think that we don't want to hear.
Actually there are plenty of us that would love to hear and have tried very hard to do so. Unfortunately, we prefer not to continue deluding ourselves. Jesus is just an imaginary friend - at best the voice of your conscience, ambition or guilt.

No you shouldn't believe them or me, think for yourself.
All Christians agree God is and quite a lot more.
It doesn't matter whether a person uses religion or not, only that they live a life that is fruitfull, happy joyous and free.

jonesg · 06-29-2005, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen T-B

God's message in the Bible is that the Jews are his chosen people.
Isn't it?

Written by Jews no ?
If the bible is the word of God written in the hand of man then its important to sift out mans will from Gods will.
Anthing which speaks of seperation cannot be Gods word, so its mans.

The message in the NT is that Gods salvation or whatever you wanna term it, is for all.

Otherwise everyone would have to convert to judaism , maybe God knows theres too many doctors and lawyers already.

jonesg · 06-29-2005, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen T-B

"Maybe the world was like this forum, God is telling everyone in many ways but you guys don't want to hear. So you can't." (Jonesg).

This implies that the Jews were not God's chosen people; they just happened to be the first people to recognise the existence of the one true god.

Doesn't say much of the Biblical account, eh?

Well actually, it doesn't say much for most peoples understanding of the bible or who wrote it.

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Clivedurdle Contributor Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: London UK Posts: 16,024	Isn't Judaism much newer than 1800 BCE? I thought 700 BCE was closer - Bible Unearthed.

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Stephen T-B Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Leeds, UK Posts: 5,878	"Maybe the world was like this forum, God is telling everyone in many ways but you guys don't want to hear. So you can't." (Jonesg). This implies that the Jews were not God's chosen people; they just happened to be the first people to recognise the existence of the one true god. Doesn't say much of the Biblical account, eh?

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