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Heurismus · 04-29-2004, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by gravitybow

Yeah, I suppose the Ark is pornography for Biblicists: don't have to define it, just know it when we see it.

Bestiality of course!!!

"Will you speak falsely for God, and speak deceitfully for him? Will you show partiality toward him, will you plead the case for God?" Job 13:7-8 (NRSV)

"What's that you are holding in your hands Noah?" "Err, it's an oar..." "Good boy, you've passed the test, now go forth and multiplie."

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ark-hoax/jammal.html It has been posted before, but it was the source for Job 13:7-8

Derec · 04-29-2004, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by budgie

That's one of the websites I've been looking for.

Anyone know anything about neolithic metallurgy?

Now that's a funny.

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I am quite skeptical that titanium would have been used as the primary alloy ingredient in those rivets at that time. I thought that copper and iron (steel) were the primary metals of choice. Please enlighten me.

Iron in the Iron Age. Bronze in the Bronze Age. The Ark would fall in the Bronze Age.

UMoC

Duvenoy · 04-29-2004, 04:18 PM

Just for the helll of it, I think I'll again post the Leipzig.

So, here we go:

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Date: 09-02-99 10:11
From: Marty Leipzig
Hey, Georgie. The cretinists at the ICR, AIG, CRC and a half-dozen other fundy-run shill organizations absolutely insist on the Flood of Noah" being global (meaning ALL the world, to your limited deference). To them, your claim that it was local makes you the infidel.
Shocking. When you're obviously nothing more than a nescient schmuck.
Hell, I'm just taking what they claim and agreeing it to death.
Viz:
First- the global flood supposedly (Scripturally) covered the planet, (see that, George? If so, why are you still being so stupid?) and Mount Everest is 8,848 meters tall. The diameter of the earth at the equator, on the other hand, is 12,756.8 km. All we have to do is calculate the volume of water to fill a sphere with a radius of the Earth + Mount Everest; then we subtract the volume of a sphere with a radius of the Earth. Now, I know this won't yield a perfect result, because the Earth isn't a perfect sphere, but it will serve to give a general idea about the amounts involved.
So, here are the calculations:
First, Everest
V= 4/3 * pi * r cubed
= 4/3 * pi * 6387.248 km cubed
= 1.09151 x 10 to the 12 cubic kilometres (1.09151x102 km3)

Now, the Earth at sea level

V = 4/3 * pi * r cubed
= 4/3 * pi * 6378.4 km cubed
= 1.08698 x 10 to the 12 cubic kilometres (1.08698x1012 km3)
The difference between these two figures is the amount of water needed to just cover the Earth:
4.525 x 10 to the ninth cubic kilometres (4.525x1009 km3) Or, to put into a more sensible number, 4,525,000,000,000 cubic kilometres
This is one helluva lot of water.

A little farther down:

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Even further, let us take a realistic and dispassionate look at the other claims relating to global flooding and other such biblical nonsense.
Particularly, in order to flood the Earth to the Genesis requisite depth of 10 cubits (~15' or 5 m.) above the summit of Mt. Ararat (16,900' or 5,151 m AMSL), it would obviously require a water depth of 16,915' (5,155.7 m), or over three miles above mean sea level. In order to accomplish this little task, it would require the previously noted additional 4.525 x 109 km3 of water to flood the Earth to this depth. The Earth's present hydrosphere (the sum total of all waters in, on and above the Earth) totals only 1.37 x 109 km3. Where would this additional 4.525 x 109 km3 of water come from? It cannot come from water vapour (i.e., clouds) because the atmospheric pressure would be 840 times greater than standard pressure of the atmosphere today. Further, the latent heat released when the vapour condenses into liquid water would be enough to raise the temperature of the Earth's atmosphere to approximately 3,570 C (6,460 F).
Someone, who shall properly remain anonymous, suggested that all the water needed to flood the Earth existed as liquid water surrounding the globe (i.e., a "vapour canopy"). This, of course, it staggeringly stupid. What is keeping that much water from falling to the Earth? There is a little property called gravity that would cause it to fall.
Let's look into that from a physical standpoint. To flood the Earth, we have already seen that it would require 4.252 x 109 km3 of water with a mass of 4.525 x 1021 kg. When this amount of water is floating about the Earth's surface, it stored an enormous amount of potential energy, which is converted to kinetic energy when it falls, which, in turn, is converted to heat upon impact with the Earth. The amount of heat released is immense:

http://www.holysmoke.org/cretins/fludmath.htm

I would particularly like to see some optimistic YEC try to refute Leipzig. It’d be fun, and maybe a little sad, to watch his struggles. The rocket scientists at TWeb took one look at it and immediately started blathering about ’garbage sites’.

doov

Azathoth · 04-29-2004, 04:19 PM

I fear no conspiracy. The original photos,in their undoctored state. Now you see the purpose of the mysterious red circle.

Heurismus · 04-29-2004, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Duvenoy

I would particularly like to see some optimistic YEC try to refute Leipzig. It’d be fun, and maybe a little sad, to watch his struggles. The rocket scientists at TWeb took one look at it and immediately started blathering about ’garbage sites’.

doov

It was worth it Duvenoy, but I think we have all been upstaged by Azathoth.

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I fear no conspiracy. The original photos,in their undoctored state. Now you see the purpose of the mysterious red circle.
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Awesome discovery, it wasn't the MV Snark by any chance, I think I read about it disappearing with a whole squadron of Avenger Torpedo Bombers during WWII. The blue arrows must indicate that they have discovered 7 of them. We had better inform the Confederate Air Force, or at least the Graves commision. :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

Derec · 04-29-2004, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Heurismus

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ark-hoax/jammal.html

OMFG! This shit is hillarious. Son-in-law "Allis Buls Hitian". "I don't know, that's what they told me". Priceless! I can just picture YECs sitting around with a Mulderesqe ark poster with words "I want to believe".

UMoC

Heurismus · 04-29-2004, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by UglyManOnCampus

OMFG! This shit is hillarious. Son-in-law "Allis Buls Hitian". "I don't know, that's what they told me". Priceless! I can just picture YECs sitting around with a Mulderesqe ark poster with words "I want to believe".

UMoC

Yup, shows them for what they really are, bloody L***s. But we have got to get a poll on Azathoth's masterpeice and keep this thread going, at least until enough people have seen the conclusions. And 78% of AOL users accept it being true; no no no. They believe what they want to believe and to hell with the fact that they are paying good bucks for one more lie.

WWSD · 04-29-2004, 09:55 PM

Does anyone know just what those anchorstones really are and why they are in the middle of Turkey?

This page, as well as having some cool pictures of the anchorstones, is a real hoot. The guy claims to have found Noah's home.

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noahsarkstones.htm

Then, of course, there is always the lunatic fringe to consider:

http://www.barry.warmkessel.com/barry/NOAH.html

The world is full of crackpots. And we all say thankee.

Arkus 02 · 04-29-2004, 09:58 PM

Just for kicks, anyone have a guess as to how many billions of liters of water would be needed to lift a boat to the top of a mountain?

WWSD · 04-29-2004, 10:28 PM

I just came across this poll. I didn't see any numbers posted as to how many people have taken the poll, but it is pretty neat.

http://www.misterpoll.com/poll.mpl?id=2912011744

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04-29-2004, 04:19 PM	#124
Azathoth Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The centre of infinity Posts: 1,181	I fear no conspiracy. The original photos,in their undoctored state. Now you see the purpose of the mysterious red circle.

04-29-2004, 09:55 PM	#128
WWSD Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Albucrazy, New Mexico Posts: 1,425	Does anyone know just what those anchorstones really are and why they are in the middle of Turkey? This page, as well as having some cool pictures of the anchorstones, is a real hoot. The guy claims to have found Noah's home. http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noahsarkstones.htm Then, of course, there is always the lunatic fringe to consider: http://www.barry.warmkessel.com/barry/NOAH.html The world is full of crackpots. And we all say thankee.

04-29-2004, 09:58 PM	#129
Arkus 02 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Champaign, IL Posts: 59	Just for kicks, anyone have a guess as to how many billions of liters of water would be needed to lift a boat to the top of a mountain?

04-29-2004, 10:28 PM	#130
WWSD Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Albucrazy, New Mexico Posts: 1,425	I just came across this poll. I didn't see any numbers posted as to how many people have taken the poll, but it is pretty neat. http://www.misterpoll.com/poll.mpl?id=2912011744

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