PhilosopherJay

Hi James,

Nice to see that people are at last beginning to take notice that the main debate is changing from "Who was Jesus?" to "Was Jesus?"

Warmly,

Philosopher Jay

SLD

Looks like more of the same polemical crap that we get from McDowell and Strobel. I'll check it out at the local B&N.

I'd really like to see a good response to Doherty and other MJ'ers from a serious atheist (or at least non-religious) scholar. I think Bart Ehrman is an HJ'er and certainly not a religious believer.

SLD

James Hannam

The trouble is, rightly or wrongly, almost all real scholars think the Jesus Myth not worth bothering with. That's why only apologists get involved.

Contrary to what Jay says, the main debate is not whether Jesus existed and at this rate never will be. That's why the only substantial rebuttals come from JP Holding and his ilk. Real scholars can't be bothered. This situation will remain unchanged until Mythers get off their arses, get PhDs and get to grips with the field. That's what I did in the history of science. When I first started posting here, I was an amateur. Now I am Dr Hannam. Mythers need to realise they need to do the same and up their game.

Best wishes

James

Read the first chapter of God's Philosophers: How the Medieval World Laid the Foundations of Modern Science absolutely free.

GakuseiDon

Only on the Internet, where crap finds its natural home.

The Internet has become the greatest -- and immediate-- source of misinformation known to man. Who knows what myths will be created thanks to the ubiquitous nature of the Internet? The barbarians are coming, and their weapons are the Internet...

dr lazer blast

The thing that kills me about Jesus mythers is that main stream historians and scholors all accept that Jesus in fact existed. Although the miracles and other supernatural events are still in question, the fact that Jesus existed as a person is not. Now the kicker is that when it comes to evolution and other things the Jesus mythers always like to cite "Evolution is accepted by majority of scientists" or "big bang thoery is accepted by a majority of science"
The arguments reek with an unquenchable stench of hypocrisy.

aa5874

You are contradicting yourself.
The main debate must whether Jesus existed.
J P Holding just wrore a book called "Shattering the Christ Myth, Did Jesus not exist?"

The Myth cannot be shattered, because Jesus was truly a myth.

Now, if a person has come to the realisation that the NT is mythical folklore and legendary tales, in what would you recommend for him to get a PHD?

And, you don't have to get a PHD to recognise folklore and legendary tales. Achilles was accepted as a myth universally, the son of a sea-goddess.

GakuseiDon

Nonsense. Folklore develops around even historical people. How do you tell the difference, aa? By the way, I recommend you post on the Rational Response Squad, your natural home.

James Hannam

Well, you start by learning Koine Greek. Two years should do it. For me it was Latin, but same difference. Take whatever the university entrance exam is in your country as a private student so you have a bit of paper to wave.

Next, you need an Masters (I assume you have a bachelors). The best bet would be in an Ancient Near East Studies department or else Classics if they have someone interested. I did history. You'd do a dissertation whcih should be on say, one or two of the would-be Messiahs in Josephus or perhaps 1st century Platonism if you a Dohertian.

Then, the big one. You should do the PhD in whichever subject (and probably the department) you did the MA. Your PhD thesis will be on what you regard as the most important foundation that the historical Jesus has. You will not claim he does not exist, but you will knock down his biggest support.

The write a book based on your PhD and pose the question in the epilogue.

Then you are a Dr and even Jeffrey Gibson will have to take you seriously .

Best wishes

James


Read the first chapter of God's Philosophers: How the Medieval World Laid the Foundations of Modern Science absolutely free.

xaxxat

Will all those studies and degrees prove that he actually existed as portrayed in the gospels?

:huh:

Steven Carr

'Shattering the Christ Myth'

It is not a myth that teh Christ has appeared?

How many historians claim there is historical evidence that the Messiah has already appeared?