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Old 01-20-2006, 10:23 AM   #531
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i don't think religious affiliation is a good indicator. It would seem to be limited to people who are actively engaged in proclaiming the gospel as Paul was.
Upon what do you base such a conclusion? You have exactly one data point. Given that, there is no reason to exclude religious affiliation.
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If the alien is more plausible than Jehovah, then this alien should have, at least, the documentary support that Jehovah has (i.e., historical accounts of his interactions with people).

Given that we have the Biblcial god, the Koranic god, the Mormon god, etc. and now this alien, we need to look at all the background info and try to decide who is the real God.

Do you have the background on the alien? I don't and nobody I know ever talks about him.
The god of the bible is a self contradiction. Just as a forinstance, he both can and can't be seen. So the bible god is impossible, which makes him less likely than an undocumented god or alien.

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Message to rhutchin: You have stated that you believe that the evidence that Christianity is true is better than the evidence that any other world view is true, but by your own admission, it is not at all what the evidence is, but rather, what it promises. In other words, if the evidence offers eternal comfort, you will accept it, but if the very same evidence offers hell, you will reject it. Even if you believed that the evidence that God of the Bible is evil is much better than that he is good, you would reject him.

One of your major problems is that the Bible requires that a person can go to heaven only if he has a personal, loving relationship with God. Logically, such a relationship is impossible for anyone who believes that a myriad of creators is plausible. Such a plausibility cannot be logically ruled out. The universe is old, vast, and complex, and full of possibilities.

It is a fact that the God of the Bible cannot exist as claimed. 2 Peter 3:9 says "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." Such a God would clearly reveal himself to everyone. When Jesus began his ministry, God knew full well that hundreds of millions of people would die over the following centuries without ever having heard the Gospel message, but that didn't bother him at all.

Your position is illogical, irrational, and emotional.
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Granting all that, is it in your self-interest to seek to avoid eternal torment?
Arguable, but even if we accept that it is in your self-interest to avoid eternal torment, it is ALSO in my best interest to avoid wasting my short existence playing cargo cult to an entity which may or may not exist, and may or may not care if I worship it. Thus, a reanalysis of Pascal's Wager suggests that the importance of believing in God is dependant on the probability of God and a dualistic afterlife, rather than independant (which is the assertion of Pascal's Wager). If you think the concept of a dualistic afterlife is incomprehensible and unlikely (as I do), then it is significantly more important to dedicate your life to self-fulfillment.
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Granting all that, is it in your self-interest to seek to avoid eternal torment?

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Arguable,...
Your conception of "eternal torment" is clearly different than mine.
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Some people just don't view pain as a strictly negative experience.
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If the alien is more plausible than Jehovah, then this alien should have, at least, the documentary support that Jehovah has (i.e., historical accounts of his interactions with people).

Given that we have the Biblcial god, the Koranic god, the Mormon god, etc. and now this alien, we need to look at all the background info and try to decide who is the real God.

Do you have the background on the alien? I don't and nobody I know ever talks about him.

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The god of the bible is a self contradiction. Just as a forinstance, he both can and can't be seen. So the bible god is impossible, which makes him less likely than an undocumented god or alien.
No documentation on the alien. Hmmm! I don't think we need deal with him until he shows his hand.

So, all you have after that is a misunderstanding of that which the Bible says about God. You will have to factor that into your risk analysis.
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Your conception of "eternal torment" is clearly different than mine.

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Some people just don't view pain as a strictly negative experience.
Viewed by people who have never really felt pain obviously.
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Viewed by people who have never really felt pain obviously.
Avoidance of pain never gets anyone anywhere.
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No documentation on the alien. Hmmm! I don't think we need deal with him until he shows his hand.
No documentation on god either - none that has been reliable, testable, or can be traced from god himself.

But if documentation on aliens is all that you require, I can provide several websites along with personal experiences and photos.
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