show_no_mercy

Prove to me that imps from the forests of I'laka-me-gru born on the planet Omacron MCMXCIII that's orbiting a start 10 billion light years away don't exist that are NOT the ones who are REALLY responsible for the movement of electrons, thus making it possible for data to be transferred from computer to computer at near lightspeed.

philbar

Nobody has claimed observing this, so it is illogical to try and disprove something that has not yet been observed.

But many people claim to be possessed. What explanation do you have to show they are lieing?

Javaman

Would you mind addressing my question, philbar?

philbar

Because I have no reason to believe what Paul writes in his letters is false?

He either must be crazy, deceiving, or non-existent in order for there to be reason for the visions Paul received of Jesus to be false. Based on the information I have on Paul...I cannot see any of these possibilities coming to fruition.

DBT

You are simply making assumptions.


Not according to your bible;

Rev. 14:11: "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."�*

philbar

Revelation 14 is only referring to Satan and his followers. It does not mention wicked people. Here is what the Bible says about them:

Re 20:13 - And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.

Re 20:14 - Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.

Matthew 10:28 - "Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."

browntoven

Really....who are his "followers"? Satanists, athiests, Buddhists?

But many people claim [claim X]. What explanation do you have to show they are lying?

I think you know why you shouldn't use this argument on these boards.

-B

philbar

Revelation 14:

11"And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

What is the deal with shifting the burden of proof around?

And what kind of question is this? Seriously. You can't even bring a topic...you just have to use [claim X]. 'Claim X' can be anything, fact or fiction. People claim evolution happens, people claim the sun is the center of our solar system, people claim this is a stupid question. And to that stupid question I reply...they aren't lying.

Jayrok

No one said anything about it being a contradiction. The OP is about God possibly being a liar. He said whoever sinned against him he would blot them out of his book. This simply isn't true. Paul said everyone has sinned, therefore everyone should have been blotted out of God's book. If what God said was true. And there is no evidence that God was only talking about the Israelites, the ones under the law. He didn't say "Whoever, among you Israelites, have sinned against me..."

DBT

Did you read the part where is says "received the mark of the beast?"
That refers to the end time and the people who receive the mark.

The meaning is clear - followers - both human and 'demonic'

As to the other verses - sure they contradict the above statement ... but then it's not hard to find contradictions in the bible.