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Vorkosigan · 02-22-2005, 05:26 PM

An announcement here...

http://www.ladysilvia.net/magaView/news/4690/attualita

VITERBO – Italy - “Jesus Christ never existed and it is possible to demonstrate this in an irrefutable and confirmative manner, dissolving any doubt. It can be verified that a change of person takes place between each fable.�? This is the disconcerting declaration of the famous scholar and historian Luigi Cascioli. In his extra-ordinary and detailed declarative book “The Fable of Christ�? all of the theories of the Catholic Church collapse, falling one by one, like in a game of dominoes.

This work of patience and constant research was achieved over five years of in-depth study, an immense and colossal piece of work, that has involved examining thousands and thousands of documents, of credible sacred texts and icons.

Home Page
http://www.luigicascioli.it/

English Page
http://www.luigicascioli.it/home_eng.php

"Atheism against christianity, christ, catholic church, exorcism and satan. Irrefutable demonstration that Jesus never existed. After the recent discovery of Essene documents at Kimberth Qumran (Palestine) it has been possible to prove that Jesus was only the result of an artificial construction operated by falsifiers in the second century."

...and it only took him five years to do it. Thousands and thousands of documents and icons in just 5 years. <sigh>

badger3k · 02-22-2005, 05:43 PM

Interesting. It might be a good read, who knows? And you can buy it as a pdf file in English, from the website, although the price is in Euros. I didn't go farther than that.

From a preliminary reading, he has a lawsuit going on? Ah - he's suing the parish priest for "abuse of popular credulity and impersonation." Interesting to see how this plays out. I pity the judge, though.

edit - he's suing the vatican somewhat, since the priest is being sued as a representative of ministers of religion. Did he expand this to include the vatican?

Hmph - more reading to do...

Toto · 02-22-2005, 05:43 PM

Sounds like its time to make a guide to mythicism to keep it all straight.

tezz · 02-23-2005, 12:09 AM

I can't see any dates on the website; has this just been published?

He seems to have thought through his reasoning for attacking Christianity...

Quote:

<SNIP>In the conviction, therefore that it will never be possible to eliminate the idea of God in human superstition for the impossibility of reason to demonstrate the non-existence of the non-existent, I decided to attack Christianity, and as a consequence, the other two monotheist religions which originate from the same God, in its historical fraud.<SNIP>

http://www.luigicascioli.it/atei_eng.php

But, unless he has some new source of information, its gotta be a rehash of existing arguments about the lack contemporary references for Christ.

SwoleMan · 02-23-2005, 10:49 AM

"THE ATHEISM OF LUIGI CASCIOLI

You are connected with the most courageous atheist of all times: Luigi Cascioli."

I hope he hasn't written this himself. Although an atheist myself, I'm not very fond of braggers.

jonesg · 02-23-2005, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tezz

" I decided to attack Christianity".

nah, his ego did the deciding for him.

Luciano · 02-23-2005, 11:12 AM

Thanks for the information!

I'm Italian and I didn't know about this

You can see here what appeared on one of Italian TV news (Italian only):
http://www.luigicascioli.it/tg2/tg2alta.wmv
This is from one of the State TV channels but is on the priests side as all the the TVs are now in the hands of our beloved ( :angry: ) right wing, Vatican ass-licker PM Brlusconi. He own 3 TV channels and as PM he "own" the 3 state tv channels too.

In part you have to be Italian to fully understand what's happening.
Here the RCC is still very powerful even if most part of Italians pay only lip service to Catholicism.
The prosecutor tried twice to "end" this lawsuit as he's trying to avoid something nasty for his career, saying if the RCC is guilty of abuse of popular credulity.
The law is very clear, "there is an abuse of popular credulity when someone, by means of fraud, deceives a great number of people".
Yep, that's the RCC and lots of other churches and religions (and of political parties)

I will post this on an Italian atheists mailing list

Thanks
Luciano

SwoleMan · 02-23-2005, 04:08 PM

"Christ, for the most part based on the figure of John of Gamala, son of Judas, downright descendant of the Asmoneian stock."

Never heard about this before. Any comments?

Peter Kirby · 02-23-2005, 04:33 PM

This has been news for at least three years now.

best,
Peter Kirby

02-22-2005, 05:26 PM	#1
Vorkosigan Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Barrayar Posts: 11,866	Italian Scholar sues Vatican, announces a new No-Jesus book An announcement here... http://www.ladysilvia.net/magaView/news/4690/attualita VITERBO – Italy - “Jesus Christ never existed and it is possible to demonstrate this in an irrefutable and confirmative manner, dissolving any doubt. It can be verified that a change of person takes place between each fable.�? This is the disconcerting declaration of the famous scholar and historian Luigi Cascioli. In his extra-ordinary and detailed declarative book “The Fable of Christ�? all of the theories of the Catholic Church collapse, falling one by one, like in a game of dominoes. This work of patience and constant research was achieved over five years of in-depth study, an immense and colossal piece of work, that has involved examining thousands and thousands of documents, of credible sacred texts and icons. Home Page http://www.luigicascioli.it/ English Page http://www.luigicascioli.it/home_eng.php "Atheism against christianity, christ, catholic church, exorcism and satan. Irrefutable demonstration that Jesus never existed. After the recent discovery of Essene documents at Kimberth Qumran (Palestine) it has been possible to prove that Jesus was only the result of an artificial construction operated by falsifiers in the second century." ...and it only took him five years to do it. Thousands and thousands of documents and icons in just 5 years. <sigh>

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02-22-2005, 05:43 PM	#2
badger3k Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Killeen, TX Posts: 1,388	Interesting. It might be a good read, who knows? And you can buy it as a pdf file in English, from the website, although the price is in Euros. I didn't go farther than that. From a preliminary reading, he has a lawsuit going on? Ah - he's suing the parish priest for "abuse of popular credulity and impersonation." Interesting to see how this plays out. I pity the judge, though. edit - he's suing the vatican somewhat, since the priest is being sued as a representative of ministers of religion. Did he expand this to include the vatican? Hmph - more reading to do...

02-22-2005, 05:43 PM	#3
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	Sounds like its time to make a guide to mythicism to keep it all straight.

02-23-2005, 10:49 AM	#5
SwoleMan Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,190	"THE ATHEISM OF LUIGI CASCIOLI You are connected with the most courageous atheist of all times: Luigi Cascioli." I hope he hasn't written this himself. Although an atheist myself, I'm not very fond of braggers.

02-23-2005, 11:12 AM	#7
Luciano Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Milano, Italy Posts: 167	Thanks for the information! I'm Italian and I didn't know about this You can see here what appeared on one of Italian TV news (Italian only): http://www.luigicascioli.it/tg2/tg2alta.wmv This is from one of the State TV channels but is on the priests side as all the the TVs are now in the hands of our beloved ( :angry: ) right wing, Vatican ass-licker PM Brlusconi. He own 3 TV channels and as PM he "own" the 3 state tv channels too. In part you have to be Italian to fully understand what's happening. Here the RCC is still very powerful even if most part of Italians pay only lip service to Catholicism. The prosecutor tried twice to "end" this lawsuit as he's trying to avoid something nasty for his career, saying if the RCC is guilty of abuse of popular credulity. The law is very clear, "there is an abuse of popular credulity when someone, by means of fraud, deceives a great number of people". Yep, that's the RCC and lots of other churches and religions (and of political parties) I will post this on an Italian atheists mailing list Thanks Luciano

02-23-2005, 04:08 PM	#8
SwoleMan Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,190	"Christ, for the most part based on the figure of John of Gamala, son of Judas, downright descendant of the Asmoneian stock." Never heard about this before. Any comments?

02-23-2005, 04:33 PM	#9
Peter Kirby Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: the reliquary of Ockham's razor Posts: 4,035	This has been news for at least three years now. best, Peter Kirby

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