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Old 03-25-2009, 08:25 PM   #41
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if 20% of humanity becomes gay, humanity will be destroyed in a few generations.
Unlikely. I really doubt that you could show that >80% of the population is required to be actively involved in producing the next generation of kids.

Actually, i'd be real interested to find out just what % of the population is producing kidlets.

Plenty don't have kids for moral, ethical, religious reasons, health reasons, or the fact that they're just not attracting partners.

Those that are having kids include more than a few that are having absolutely as many kids as they can support, far more than is necessary to simply replace the parents. Some are having more kids than they can support and the adoptees are being raised by the non-productive part of humanity, whatever % that is.
So even if 20% of a generation withholds itself from reproduction, the birth RATE may drop, but i'd be willing to bet shares in Pampers that the total numbers of babies produced wouldn't go down in anything like a comparable amount.
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Old 03-25-2009, 09:51 PM   #42
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Yet the greatest OPEN miracle is the return of Israel [and a language after 2000 years - both never occured before].
It's not a miracle, it was the cooperative work of Zionists and Christian dispensationalists who had been trying to achieve it since the late 1800s. Do you think they named it 'Israel' by coincidence?

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This was predicted in a 3000 year prophesy [proven in hard copy by the dead sea scrolls], and it occured exactly as stated
Exactly? The modern state of Israel is a small modern secular republic, not a theocracy ruling the world.

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or is it forbidden to allow anything right which concerns Israel!
Watching you state something honestly and correctly in regards to Israel would be a refreshing change.
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Why would covenant not indicate alliance? Would a king have married another man?
The word "covenant" is a translation from the original. The original word did indeed mean "marriage agreement."

Plus, the rest of the context makes it pretty obvious what's going on if you go over all the passages about their relationship.

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Why would covenant not indicate alliance? Would a king have married another man?
The word "covenant" is a translation from the original. The original word did indeed mean "marriage agreement."

Plus, the rest of the context makes it pretty obvious what's going on if you go over all the passages about their relationship.

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It means contract, and can apply any place, as in the promised land and circumsizion covenant. There's no association with marrage except when attached to it.
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And Jonathan stripped off the cloak he was wearing and his tunic, and gave them to David, together with his sword, his bow, and his belt"
'Stripped' is a bad translation here; better, removed his war attire.

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One has to wonder if the translation in King James was written that way because of homophobia in the time of King James, as opposed to during the time of David. But don't take my word for it, read the various sections describing David's relationship with Jonathan. It's actually pretty clear, I'd say.
There is issue of gay here - it is forbidden in the hebrew bibe, and a Hebrew king is not immune to the law - he is subserviant to it as any other citizen, in fact more so. David was indicted for adultry, remember?


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In other words, the fact that he had wives can make it okay to also sleep with men, because the usual problem (no heirs) is instantly solved.

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That's greek to me.
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Moses didn't r write the book. If you read through it carefuky there are genral patterns of time. I';d say those ho wrote the book of Moses peiced it togetehr form oral history and/or other documents.
The texts says Moses did wrote the entire five books - and there is no reason to say so as a motive; the last sentence being an epitaph by Joshua. There is no 'those who wrote the book' - your proof? We know that throughout the first temple period, the Mosaic laws applied. The psalms of david, over 3000 years old and a mere 250 years from Moses, mentions Moses numerously and alligns with the entire Mosaic books; in the babylonian exile, the fove books existed - the Talmud, based on the five books, was written there.

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The time '40 days' appears often. I was told by a Jew that it meant 'a long time'. It rained forty days and forty nights, Jesus was in the desert for 40 days. Numbers had signifigance to the ancient Jews.
I see it as alligning to a regional flood [the texts] - which makes the 40 feasable. I know that 'many' days are a focused term, denoting a long time - as with the Hebrews being many days in the desert - which turned out to be 40 years. But where is says a specific term, it means 40 only.
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If there was peace in the land wasn't Moses commanded to "vex" (provoke) unrest, iow, create an enemy and for the purpose of starting war, and so that the Israelites could overpower and take the land?
It does not apply. They were commanded to take the land because they had a right to - they were 'returning' to their own land. A war which ensued was for different reasonings, and occured after a peace offer [mandated before incurring a war] was rejected.
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What, exactly, where Paul and co. doing when they got their "freedom in Christ" spied upon?

I wonder...
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if 20% of humanity becomes gay, humanity will be destroyed in a few generations.
Unlikely. I really doubt that you could show that >80% of the population is required to be actively involved in producing the next generation of kids.
Of course he can't because the number has no basis in reality. Besides, he can't possibly even believe it, himself, since he believes the human race started with only two individuals and restarted later with only eight.

I'll bet there's magic involved in the resolution of this contradiction.
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Unlikely. I really doubt that you could show that >80% of the population is required to be actively involved in producing the next generation of kids.
Of course he can't because the number has no basis in reality. Besides, he can't possibly even believe it, himself, since he believes the human race started with only two individuals and restarted later with only eight.

I'll bet there's magic involved in the resolution of this contradiction.
Why not say something relevent for a change. Is your universe finite or infinite?

That way, we can easily determine if its possible to have an action with only one indivsable entity. Genesis boldly gives its version in its opening preamble - it is talking about a universe with a BEGINNING. How about your universe? :wave:
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