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Old 10-22-2004, 08:31 PM   #1
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I just encountered the claim that Peter derives from an Egyptian God.

What's up with that?

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That's news to me!

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I always knew you were the son of a god, Peter.
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Here is something more specific:

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The apostle Peter appears to be a largely fictitious character. According to Christian mythology, Jesus chose him to be the "keeper of the keys to the kingdom of heaven." This is clearly based on the Egyptian pagan deity, Petra, who was the door-keeper of heaven and the afterlife ruled over by Osiris.
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The apostle Peter appears to be a largely fictitious character. According to Christian mythology, Jesus chose him to be the "keeper of the keys to the kingdom of heaven." This is clearly based on the Egyptian pagan deity, Petra, who was the door-keeper of heaven and the afterlife ruled over by Osiris. We must also doubt the story of Luke "the good healer" who was supposed to be a friend of Paul. The original Greek for "Luke" is "Lykos" which was another name for Apollo, the god of healing.
I have never heard of an Eyptian god named Petra, but I am not that up on Egyptian gods.

I did find this bit of nonsense:

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Surprising as it may sound, it is a well-known fact among students of ancient religion, that the chief pagan gods worshipped in the early civilizations were generally known by the name PETER. It is also known that the priests of those heathen gods were also called PETERS. That same name in one form or another, was even applied to the pagan TEMPLES consecrated to those gods.

Notice what Bryant, in his work "Ancient Mythology" says: "Not only the gods, but the Hierophantae [special priests], in most temples; and those priests in particular, who were occupied in the celebration of mysteries, were styled PATRES" (vol. 1, p. 354).

This is significant! The word PATRE is the same as PATOR or PETER in meaning and pronunciation.

Bryant continues: "PATRE was undoubtedly a religious term . . . . the same as PATOR and PATORA."

The ancient pagan gods, the priests who were their ministers, and their sacred sanctuaries -- their temples -- were ALL called PETORS or PETERS (either spelling is acceptable since vowels are fluid in all languages -- especially the Semitic).

The Meaning of "Peter"
What did the word PATOR or PETER really mean to the ancients? Surprisingly enough, the word is in the Bible. When Moses wrote about the Egyptian priests, he shows they were called PETERS or "interpreters" – interpreters of the ancient Egyptian mysteries.

Notice Genesis 41:8. Davidson shows in his Hebrew Lexicon that the consonantal word P-T-R (PETER) signifies "to interpret" or "interpretation" (p. 638; of Brown, Driver, Briggs, p. 837; and Gesenius, p. 877 and p. 843). Bryant points out that "the term always related to oracle interpretation" (p. 308).

The pagan priests of the mystery religions were called PATORS or PETERS. They had the power to interpret the heathen mysteries. This is further brought out by Bunson in his Hieroglyph, page 545, where he shows that the Egyptians -- as the Bible also indicates -- called their "interpreters" or priests: PETR, that is, PETER.
This seems to be major linguistic confusion, as if every word that sounds like PTR goes back to the same root. But I wonder if that is the source that your website used.

This is from a site devoted to Protestant prophesy, not one of your atheist mythicist sites.

Arthur Drews in The Legend of St Peter does connect the post-Biblical legendary Peter (who is the gatekeeper in heaven) with the Roman god Janus and some of the late Roman aspects of Mithra. But I don't know of an Egyptian connection.

I am more intrigued by the Luke - Lykos - Apollo possibility. I can see that a physician might have wanted to use a name associated with a healing god, or that a fiction writer would have picked that name for a physician. The only problem is that Luke in Greek is usually spelled Loukos, not Lykos. And I cannot confirm that Lykos was another name for Apollo.
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Surprising as it may sound, it is a well-known fact among students of ancient religion, that the chief pagan
Pagan is general. Does he mean to imply all non-Xtian or non-Jewish religions were the same and its practitioners spoke the same language? Is this also well-known among said students?

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gods worshipped in the early civilizations were generally known by the name PETER. It is also known that the priests of those heathen[sic] gods were also called PETERS. That same name in one form or another, was even applied to the pagan TEMPLES consecrated to those gods.
Is he implying padre, pater, ie: father? BTW, Greek does distinguish between alpha and epsilon, no?

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Notice what Bryant, in his work "Ancient Mythology" says: "Not only the gods, but the Hierophantae [special priests], in most temples; and those priests in particular, who were occupied in the celebration of mysteries, were styled PATRES" (vol. 1, p. 354).
So, father. Were temples also called fathers? Why?


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This is significant! The word PATRE is the same as PATOR or PETER in meaning and pronunciation.
But petros in the NT means rock (stone?), not father. He ignores this, which is stated in the very text.

Mat 16:18 And I tell you, you are Petros (stone), and on this rock (petra) I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.

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Bryant continues: "PATRE was undoubtedly a religious term . . . . the same as PATOR and PATORA."
The very word "father" is a religious term? Where does he get patora? Is that a word--either Greek or otherwise?

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The ancient pagan gods,
Which culture? Greek, Egyptian, Canaanite?

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the priests who were their ministers, and their sacred sanctuaries -- their temples -- were ALL called PETORS or PETERS
Now he is claiming all temples were called Peters? Does he think that will fly?

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(either spelling is acceptable since vowels are fluid in all languages -- especially the Semitic).
I understand Greek had quite specific vowels. Egyptain had hieroglyphics which were whole syllables or words. Again, he is implying all pagan religions and languages are the same. How silly. Who would believe this? Who would be lame enough to assert it publically?

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The Meaning of "Peter"
What did the word PATOR or PETER really mean to the ancients? Surprisingly enough, the word is in the Bible.
Where?

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When Moses wrote about the Egyptian priests, he shows they were called PETERS or "interpreters" – interpreters of the ancient Egyptian mysteries.

So now we have one word or series of consonants meaning 3 different things:

father

interpreter

rock

But our linguist implies it is all one word: interpreter.

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Notice Genesis 41:8. Davidson shows in his Hebrew Lexicon that the consonantal word P-T-R (PETER) signifies "to interpret" or "interpretation" (p. 638; of Brown, Driver, Briggs, p. 837; and Gesenius, p. 877 and p. 843). Bryant points out that "the term always related to oracle interpretation" (p. 308).
Is this true?

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The pagan [sic] priests of the mystery religions were called PATORS or PETERS. They had the power to interpret the heathen [sic] mysteries. This is further brought out by Bunson in his Hieroglyph, page 545, where he shows that the Egyptians -- as the Bible also indicates -- called their "interpreters" or priests: PETR, that is, PETER.
Does anyone care to add to this? BTW, I do have a big book on Egyptian mythology and I see no specific god named Peter.
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