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Old 06-09-2011, 08:04 PM   #141
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I think it hard for jesus to talk to a dead person.
Hmmm, King Saul was able to talk to a dead Samuel, was he not?
or the witch of Endor was just impersonating Samuel. I m sure that's the modern christian interpretation
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Hmmm, King Saul was able to talk to a dead Samuel, was he not?
or the witch of Endor was just impersonating Samuel. I m sure that's the modern christian interpretation
Googling about, a surprising number so answers to the question about whether
it was really Samuel to preachers leads to affirmative answers.

The cover appears to be that such things only work if god allows it.
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edit: It's also worth noting that the second account, starting at Genesis 2:4 states fairly explicitly that the entire creation took one day, not six.
There is no reason to assume that a second account begins at 2:4. Although there are differing views about this, the account beginning at 1:1 seems to end at 2:7.

There may be a split between 2:4 and 2:5. 2:8 can be the beginning of a new account (but this could begin at 2:7) describing how God created a garden and placed the man there. From there to the end of the chapter are described the activities in the garden and all this would be on day 6.

In another view, the verses, 2:5-6, create perspective for the reader who would be unfamiliar with events of that time. They transition between the account of the creation (1:1-2:4) and details relating to Adam and the creation of Eve (2:8-25). NIV sets the verses off as if they were a parenthetical addition.

I think you have to make a case for the position that the second account begins at 2:5. Do you just want to make that an assumption from which you will build your argument? If so, your argument fails if the assumption fails.

Given that Davka has some expertise in the Hebrew language, perhaps he can shed some light on what is happening.
2:2-3 is really the epilogue to the creation story. 2:4 begins the toledoth (account) of the heavens and earth. Each toledoth marks a new book / section. i.e. account of the heavens and earth, account of Shen, account of Terah, account of Ishmael, account of Isaac, etc, etc.

i.e. between 2:3 and 2:4 is the best break if you are looking for one.

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or the witch of Endor was just impersonating Samuel. I m sure that's the modern christian interpretation
Googling about, a surprising number so answers to the question about whether
it was really Samuel to preachers leads to affirmative answers.

The cover appears to be that such things only work if god allows it.
or such things may work but God does not allow it. This account (Samuel or not) is descriptive, not prescriptive.

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