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12-04-2006, 11:16 AM | #51 |
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The Christianity of Constantine the Great (or via: amazon.co.uk)
"a critical counterpoint to standard acceptance of Constantine's philosophy and principles" |
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I would be very interested to learn whether T.G.Elliott cites any other source for his "proposal" other than the following: CHAPTER XII: That like Moses, he was reared in the Palaces of Kings.Like I stated earlier, you'll find that the majority of historians have an aversion to this specific text, and its integrity as an accurate and fair attestation to the life, actions and philosophy of the supreme imperial mafia thug known as Constantine, about whom is recorded: 16. He was a mocker rather than a flatterer. From this he was called after Trachala in the folktale, for ten years a most excellent man, (307-317) for the following second ten a brigand, (317-327) for the last, on account of his unrestrained prodigality, a ward irresponsible for his own actions. (327-337) --- history of Sextus Aurelius Victor --- extract_300to360 Pete Brown |
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Did eusebius or constantine deliberately plany a different theology over there to confuse us? |
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You'll have to wait until I get up to the university. Or else you can sign up for a free trial at questia.com and read it for yourself. "Proposes" is just a word I used in my note.
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MM in particular might be interested in this review of H.A. Drake, Constantine and the Bishops. The Politics of Intolerance (or via: amazon.co.uk).
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That's great, Toto. My reading is that Constantine got seriously messed up with theological disputes, starting with the Donatists. He learned his lesson in that one, and tried to maintain a more neutral position in the Arian controversy. I think his ultimate loyalty is apparent in his death-bed choice of baptizer: the Arian Bishop Eusebius of Nicomedia.
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"the world groaned to find itself Arian." Our thesis, in case you did not determine this particular issue, is that the Arian controversy, which arose c.317 with the words of Arius, was in response to the circulation of Constantine's "new testament" (aka "the fabrication of the galilaeans) into the eastern Roman empire in advance of his military insurgence. That the Arian controversy was the reaction of Arius and the empire against the implementation of the new and strange Roman church. We cite Vlasis Rassias, Demolish Them!, Published in Greek, Athens 1994, as a record of the world groaning after Nicaea, when the highways were covered with galloping bishops. Pete |
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and it provided a number of interesting and different perspectives on the problems that have been faced. I was especially interested to learn that he commented: During the past twenty years by far the most influential book on Constantine has been T. D. Barnes' Constantine and Eusebius. Barnes provided a much more overtly religious interpretation of Constantine and his reign, and he claimed that Constantine was consistently true to his Christian beliefs from 312, if not earlier.The Review of T.D.Barnes' Tertullian by Arnaldo Momigliano is especially interesting in that the reputation of Barnes seems to be be very seriously questioned, if not indeed the reputation of Tertullian. Pete |
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Here again is my question: In this quote you have provided to me, a letter is going out summoning bishops to a Synod. What are they Bishops of? Mythraism? Sun worship? What? |
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