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Steven Carr · 11-24-2004, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Layman

Actually, what someone -- me -- attacked was not the "simple truth" that this passage is not in our present Old Testament, but the erroneous attempt to castigate Jesus as a heritic based on a conveniently naive rendering of a particular passage in Revelation
http://christiancadre.blogspot.com/2...estion-of.html

And what is this similar phrase in Sirach that God the Son considered authoritative , but God the Father did not? And why did God the Father allow scriptures to be lost from the OT that God the Son considered authoritative.

There is no 'similar phrase'. All Layman can do is say that both reference water.

If you want similar phrases, there are plenty in the miracle stories where Christians plagiarised earlier stories about Elijah,Elisha , Jonah to become stories about Jesus.

See http://www.bowness.demon.co.uk/mirc1.htm

As for Revelation,
http://www.freegrace.net/dfbooks/dfrevbk/REV56.htm

'Revelation 22:18-19 stands as a flaming sword planted by God to guard the canon of Holy Scripture from profane hands. Similar passages are found in the Old Testament Scriptures. After the giving of the law, God gave strict command forbidding anyone to add a single word to it or take a single word from it (Deut. 4:2).'

' However, because this book, by the arrangement of divine providence, closes the Sacred Volume, it is reasonable for us to assume that the warnings of this text extend to and include the entire Bible, from the opening word "In" in Genesis to the final "Amen" in Revelation.'

Sceptics might believe that the prohibition in Revelation was intended to apply to that book only, so it is left to Christians to defend Cygnus's methodology, and claim that the verse refers to the whole Bible :-

http://www.godrules.net/library/clavis/clavis13.htm for an example.

Steven Carr · 11-24-2004, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Toto

I think it just shows that early Christians (and their Jewish contemporaries) were not literal minded inerrantists in regard to Scripture.

I agree. John 7:38 is your basic gibberish.

Clivedurdle · 11-24-2004, 02:50 PM

Enoch and the New Testament

I know, many of these may be pushing the boat out!!!

Steven Carr · 11-28-2004, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Layman

Probably because it was irrelevant to Layman's main point -- which has to do with the innane interpretation proffered for a passage from Revelation. One that is the core of the "Bible Error" I was responding to and which no one has yet to defend.

Doing a search on the Christian Cadre site came up with the following article
http://tektonics.org/lp/ntcanon.html

This says 'Get thee scissors and paste and add it in - and hope that the warning in Revelation about "adding on" to what has been written means something else other than adding to the Bible!'

This stupid comment by Cygnus is what Christian Cadre members believe!

And Layman says it is inane

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