Littlejohn

Salve!.. A found good all people!

My name is Littlejohn (Giannino or Giovannino, in italian language). I live in Italy, about fifty km from Rome. This is my first experience with english language forum. I hope that you would excuse my english no perfect.

I found very interesting your forum and I have want take part in.

I begin researching and studying the christianity's origins about eleven years ago. Today, I presume I have understood quite 90% of that all is need understanding about the christianity 's origins (please, don't laughing too much!)

I don't understand I can't access at the various threads of this forum, therefore I thought to open this my thread

In another thread "a5874" has written:

«Tell me, I beg of you, one more time, please, what is the TRUTH about Jesus, the disciples and "Paul"?»

Christianity is the greatest, the more amazing, incredibile fraud never made against the mankind. Nevertheless, Jesus Chrestus (and NO Christus!) was a really historic character. Others historic characters were Simon "Peter"(1), Mariamne of Magdala (Jesus' mother), Mary Salome of Magdala (Jesus' wife), Judas Thomas (the Jesus' twin), James the "Just" one or James the "Little" one (a Jesus' stepbrother), Joseph "Barnaba" (the Jesus' firstborn), Johannes "Marcus"(2) (the Jesus' second-born), Levi, alias Nicodemus, alias Lazarus, alias Bartholomew; Matthew (a different caracter than Levi), etc.

Judas Iscariot, instead, don't was an historic caracter, beacause he was the same than Simon "Peter". "Judas Iscariot" derives from the latine expression "Simonis Iudaeus Sicarius": Simon the jewish hired killer (in brief: Iudaeus Sicarius = Judas Iscariot)

Judas Thomas and Thomas said "Didymus" they were the same person. (see the Gospel of Thomas).

The real name of Jesus don't was "Jesus", but JESSE (Yeshay in hebraic). Jesus was a simple attribute, deriving from the greek word "Ihsous/Iasous", healer meaning.

Also, the Old Joseph don't was the Mary's (Mariamne) husband, but the FATHER! Therefore, Old Joseph was the Jesus' grandfather. He was a very rich man (see the infancy's Gospels, where he is called "Joachim")

Ad maiora!

(best regard)


Littlejohn

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Notes:

(1) - the name/attribute Peter derives from "Petròs" and NO from the greek word "pètra" (stone, rock in english). Petròs, also, it derives from the hebraic "peter", firstborn meaning (peter --> peteròs, greek corruption, --> pet'ròs, aramaic corruption)

(2) - Johannes "Marcus" was the founder of the marcosians' sect, in the roman's Gaul. In this country, Johannes assumed the "Marcus" nick.

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Toto

Welcome, Giannino.

Littlejohn

Thank you very much! ... A found good for you!




Best regards


Littlejohn

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pob14

Littlejohn,

Welcome!

I read this forum regularly, but I don't post in it much, because I'm not much of a biblical scholar.

However, may I suggest that you post the sources of your statements? That way, a good discussion could develop.

Thanks!

Littlejohn

Hello, pob14!..A found good! (in italian "ben trovato!)

My sources are all and nothing...I mean that don't exist a source, one book or script where my statements are!.. Nevertheless, there are very many "crumbs", in ancient patristic scripts (or in another sources) about that truth that the clergy businessmen would it be hidden forever!...

These crumbs of truth are very important because, thanks to the very power tools of current research, make it possible to reconstruct, or quite to intuit, that truth that seemed forever lost!

From a practical point of view, my sources of research are vast, going from all the work patristic, rabbinic literature, that of Mandei, that "pagan", that "apocrifa", that gnostic (Nag Hammadi and other), the Manichean, etc.. For eleven years I spent even 14 hours a day in front of the computer, searching for useful data for my summary works ("sintesi" in italian language)

Christianity's origin is like a mosaic, where the" mosaic elements" ("tessere or tesserine" in italian) are represented by the crumbs of truth found in the literature of two thousand years ago. Unfortunately, some of these "tesserine-crumbs" are missing and is quite unlikely they can find. However, those again available are more than enough to repay a fairly reliable profile of those who were the real origins of the Christianity

Approximately two years ago I started writing a book-wise, as a natural conclusion of all my heavy engaged and all my sacrifices. Soon, however, I had to suspend writing, to complete the cycle of my research. Recently, I found very precious data, which enable me to cover various shortcomings of my mosaic!

To the extent possible, in accord with the need to protect the fruits of my research, I will try to provide sufficient detail to stimulate anyone to undertake a search on their own: certainly the best system to learn!

All the best.


Littlejohn

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Littlejohn

Paul was a partly fictional character. In reality the figure of Paul of Tarsus is complex, since the founder "fathers" of Catholicism (yet before than Christianity) "summed", in literary way, in a single character two distinct historic characters: Paul / Saul, a prominent gangster (of him Josephus speaks in three distinct passes), responsible death of James the Just, stepbrother of Jesus, and "Paul of Tarsus." The character who was, they gave the name of Paul of Tarsus.

Neither Paul was their real name (it is an adjective that comes from the Latin word "paulus," whose meaning is "small in stature") and even the second don't was from Tarsus. He was born in Palestine and for about three years, when he was a young, his parents sent him to study in prestigious schools of Tarsus.

"Paul of Tarsus" was a character very different from malefactor Paul/Saul, who ended his days in Spain, probably to escape revenge of his compatriots, very raged against all the collaborators of the Romans, because of the great destruction that Israel had suffered during the first Jewish war.


Best regards


Littlejohn

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Littlejohn

On the Gospel of Judas

It is very likely that at the time when it was drafted the Gospel of Judas, issued a voice that Jesus was revealed to Judas very important secret words. But what Judas? ... Those who lived next to Jesus (or the immediate descendants of them), knew well perfectly that there was NEVER a Judas Iscariot, having been this a fictional character: namely the same Simon Peter. Thanks to the Gospel of Thomas, we know that in reality Judas in question, who listened from Jesus the famous "secret words", was the same Didymus Judas Thomas, namely the twin brother of Jesus!

This leads us to consider that the sect or community, which produced the Gospel of Judas, don't was a genuine gnostic sect, but rather a "hybrid" which united both traditions "Orthodox" (which felt Judas Iscariot a real character) and those gnostic, since this Gospel also presents these gnostic aspects.


All best

Littlejohn

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mountainman

Greetings and a question littlejohn:

If christianity was historically perpetrated as a fraud who perpetrated this and when did they do it, and how did they go about doing it and was there any opposition to the perpetration of a fraud by the citizens of the empire at the time?

Best wishes,


Pete

Littlejohn

Hi, Pete!....How are you?

There is a great difference between the history's Jesus and the Jesus of the faith, just as there is a big difference between the historical origins of Catholicism-Christianity and those known through the books of faith: namely the Gospels and the patristic narrative. However, in this narrative there are "crumbs of truth" that put together to the evidences, even if sometimes limited, traceable in non-Christian literature, make it possible to reconstruct a fairly reliable frame concerning those who were the true origins of Christianity.

Because of this large difference, just over said, and the fact that the vast majority of faithful Christians is radically accustomed to the "truth" that from about 19 centuries the Catholic clergy spreads in the world, what I going to expose certainly seems incredible and, perhaps, more than someone will think that I am "left out brain"! ("uscito di cervello"). However, while I am firmly convinced of what I claim, what I proposed to do, is not to convince someone about "my truth", but rather to provide ideas or elements for own research, that anyone of good will can deal: if nothing else to see if what I say is true or not!


"If christianity was historically perpetrated as a fraud who perpetrated this and when did they do it....?"

Very intelligent question!

All first, it is need to know that Jesus the Nazarene (or of Nazareth) was a historical extremely eclectic, extroverted and brilliant character (not a God, though!). He was well known in most of the Roman Empire and even outside its borders (not in India, however, as some "rumours" seem to affirmer). Practically, during his life, Jesus was known in central-eastern part of the Roman Empire. After his death, and thanks to his son John "Marco", also in the west (Gaul, Spain, etc.).

From a point of view of his religious training (before that philosophical, since he estimated was also a philosopher) Jesus, in his first young age, was reared and educated in a "nazarene" faith , which was not simply a faith "Jewish", but something more complex (*). This happened at the village of Nazareth, inhabited precisely by the Nazarenes. The inhabitants of this small village (which derived its name from the Nazarenes that lived in and not vice-versa, as fathers counterfeiters still continue make us to believe!) were referring to the Temple of Essene-Nazarenes, built-in a valley of mountains' chain of the Mount Carmel: the Wadi Essay.

It was probably in this Temple which was the famous episode narrated by the canonical Gospels in which Jesus appears child talking with the priests and scholars of the Temple, which "evangelists" tried to pretend was that jewish of Jerusalem!

A similar Temple, although probably not similar in aesthetic appearances, there was certainly also in the Essene quarter of Jerusalem. It was the same Temple in which were killed Zechariah, father of John the Baptist, and James the Just: moral and spiritual heir of the same John. In this place, also indicated by the evangelists (not as a temple, though!), were used to gather Jesus and the rest of the John's disciples.

When Peter, escaped "miraculously" from prisons in Jerusalem, went knocking the "door of Mary", actually went right at the Temple of the Ebionites of Jerusalem (fraudulently called "Judeo-Christian church" in Jerusalem), which others were not that survivors of the former community of John the Baptist: the same as in the world of Mandei listed as "nasurei" and that Epiphanius called "nosoraioi", differentiated by "nazoraioi": namely the Nazarenes, that the Jews of time and those of earlier centuries called "Notzrim". Review the passage of Acts:

Acts of Apostles -- Chapter12

«..After reflecting, went to the house of Mary, mother of John also called Mark, where there was a good number of people gathered in prayer ...»

The fact that "... a good number of people gathered in prayer" we strongly suggests that it was a normal place of worship.



.....to be continued

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Notes:

(*) - The Nazarenes, far from being the "Jews", namely faithful of "reformed" hebraism or "Judaism" that you want to say, remained faithful to the "hebraism of the origins", which was far that monotheistic! (namely, it was a true polytheistic worship)


All the best

Littlejohn

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Littlejohn

Sorry... Forgive my lack of ignorance...

HJ (I presume) standing for "Holy Jesus".. But what "mj" or "fj" does it means?..


Tanks


Littlejohn

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