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Old 06-21-2007, 06:52 AM   #1
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Default Why did Jesus mention Caesar before god?

RENDER UNTO CAESAR

Why does Caesar get the priority mention, and then as a second,
we get a mention of god? Was Jesus doing a PR job for Caesar?

Why didn't Jesus give god the first mention? Wasn't
that the reason he was supposed to be here?
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Umm...because he asked them whose picture was on the coin and they said "Caesar". It was only natural that he then procede with "Well, then, render unto Caesar what is Caesar's".
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Why does Caesar get the priority mention, and then as a second,
we get a mention of god? Was Jesus doing a PR job for Caesar?

Why didn't Jesus give god the first mention? Wasn't
that the reason he was supposed to be here?
He who is first shall be last, and he who is last shall be first, make it all the same. Each one teach one. Like father like son, and the apple won’t fall to far from the tree, iow’s a theocracy.
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As a teacher, you can approach lists in a number of ways.

You can start with the most important item, while you have their attention, knowing that they're going to drift as you continue, so you save the least important for last.

You can start with the least important, to get it out of the way, then hammer the payoff home at the end.

You can start with the simplest, saving whatever it is you want to talk the most about for last.

You can start with what they're already familiar with, getting that out of the way and building up to what's new.

The order doesn't mean anything besides that's the order.
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Is this a serious question?
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I'm sort of wondering what mountainman was smoking when he posted that. :huh:
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As a teacher, you can approach lists in a number of ways.

You can start with the most important item, while you have their attention, knowing that they're going to drift as you continue, so you save the least important for last.

You can start with the least important, to get it out of the way, then hammer the payoff home at the end.

You can start with the simplest, saving whatever it is you want to talk the most about for last.

You can start with what they're already familiar with, getting that out of the way and building up to what's new.

The order doesn't mean anything besides that's the order.

Yes, but this would be an ordinary teacher, correct? What makes you think this character Jesus (actually the authors) was ordinary, in that those teachings survived for thousands of years. It seems to me that to be an extraordinary teacher one would have to be, a little more inventive, cunning.

Perhaps that is why we have teacher of the year awards?
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But the good thing with asking such questions as mountainman to here.

They may sound incredibly silly or kind of unrelated but if it is true as Spong say that the new testament is a "Midrash" of the Old Testament then mountainman gets it right.

They had a very specific purpose with that story as they had with most or every story they wrote. It is a bit like programming. Most code actually do things in the program.

This one could be interpreted to solve a loyalty thing. I'm just guessing but read about "midrash" in wikipedia. It sounds very likely to be what the original writers actually did. They took things in the old testament and rewrote it to be applied at the time of writing so it could be that all of it is midrash or interpretation for a religious political purpose.


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Midrash

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midrash

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Midrash (Hebrew: מדרש; plural midrashim) is a Hebrew word referring to a method of exegesis of a Biblical text.

Exegesis (from the Greek ἐξηγεῖσθαι 'to lead out') involves an extensive and critical interpretation of an authoritative text, especially of a holy scripture, such as of the Old and New Testaments of the Bible, the Talmud, the Midrash, the Qur'an, etc.
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Maybe. It certainly seems to have served that purpose. Do you think it could also serve a personal purpose. I could say like father like son as easily as I could say like father like sun.

I cold call Joseph, who was an upright man, a poor man’s salvation, no heat, all in the head. Notice the typo.......I meant to type heart, got heat. Iow’s, what is the opposite of heat, cold? Can too much passion (heat) make us cold (terrorists)?

I would that thou were hot or cold, but since thou art but luke warm, I will spew thee from my mount? Seeds are spit from the mouth..........I think of Goldie Locks and the three bears.........just right.


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Is this a serious question?
I'm sort of wondering what mountainman was smoking when he posted that. :huh:
The consumption of Toilet Duck can have serious long term effects, at least according to Father Ted who should certainly know. Will the posts eventually reduce to "Drink! Gurls! Feck! Arse!"?

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