Kosh

Ah, C'mon. All the biker babes think I look really cute in my chaps (and bluejeans).

hope's daughter

I am confused about the relavance of why you keep telling me my comments are not relevant since that is the reason why I have been relagated to this area the Elsewhere~ section. Don't you think you are taking a BIG risk by being here and making all your comments irrelevant as well?

Well I do believe menopause affects the memory. I didn't really feel picked on. Singled out maybe. Everyone thinks because you are a Christian you should be able to explain deep and profound questions that trouble us all. I tell you Helen there are many things I do not know like: how is my situation going to end. I don't have a clue but I trust God to pull me through it and He will put my enemies to shame. Read the 71 Psalm. This is an excellent Psalm.

I have found infidels probably the best site so far with the exception of Heart light. I just have to really get my feet wet. It must be the hospital experience Helen that I had. This was the injustice not you guys here in cyber space.

Thanks Helen

Thanks he did show up but the session did not go well and I just can't forgive what he did by having the EMTs and police harrassing me and all that went on. He was the one who wanted to drive me to the brink of insanity. Now he tells me he loves me and does not want a divorce. My trust of him is gone totally. I can not live with him with the way things are. I feel betwixt and between. Look Mommy I am airing dirty laundry God my mother was a good woman.

HelenM

But there are two kinds of irrelevance. This thread was moved here because posts in it weren't relevant to the topic of the forum it was in.

I was pointing out that your comments weren't relevant to other responses in the thread, which makes them confusing to people. I'm saying this because you've asked a few times whether your thoughts are clear and focused. Posting comments which aren't relevant to the rest of the thread indicates you do have a problem with focus, sometimes. I've tried to give you examples rather than simply suggest you might have a focus problem without explaining why I think so - which I think would be unfair and disrespectful, so I try not to do such things.

I just looked that up - yes, that's a good one

I'm confused - what do you mean by "it must be the hospital experience I had?"

Do you believe him?

I know it's hard to forgive, but didn't Jesus say that unless we forgive others, God won't forgive us? My pastor preached a whole sermon series on forgiveness a few months ago. You can find it here if you're interested.

It is very hard to trust people who take your rights away. I know But maybe he really does love you and is trying to do what he thinks is best for you.

Did you think the counselor was fair? Did he take your husband's side? Who chose your counselor? Is he/she a Christian?

Helen

sweep

psalm 71 is brilliant. but which two faced prick wrote this bit? and for what purpose?

Soul Invictus

I could give you some interesting experiences as well, however I'm failing to see what informing us of your experiences does, except tell us more about you as a person, which is fine. If your goal is to make an assertion for the validity of the Godforce you embrace, then you're offering a malfunctioning piece of evidence. I was still waiting to hear about the objective parts...As I said earlier, what gives your specific example any creedance over the myriad of other operating personal experiences people have encountered for millenia?

Soul Invictus

For starters you could research to see if what he said is fallacious. The people on this board are good at that by keeping you honest, on the intellectual integrity bit!

hope's daughter

Corona688,

Why do you keep winking at me? Is that a sarcastic wink? Or is it meant to be friendly? I want everything I say and write to you to be filled with the love of God towards you so even if you see this guy----> you will know it is playful and fun and comes from a good heart. I find it very hard sometimes to defend my faith because athiests, agnostics and skeptics come up with some very good questions and as I told Helen I was taken to the hospital and involuntarily detained because my husband had me labeled as bipolar in '90. I could explain the whole situation to you but I do not want this all over the internet I think I have said enough about it. So what I have told you here you might just chalk it up to insanity or bipolarness or whatever. I find God does inject a certain amount of doubt into situations and this is good because you have to trust in HIM if you want your situation to improve. So if you believe in prayer as an atheist, I will take it despite the fact you may doubt the One with Whom you pray to.

hope's daughter

I liked what you wrote. Thanks for the honesty.

hope's daughter

I don't mind really Helen. The accident I had well I had a head injury. I met a man at the hospital in psyche ward named Benjamin Lawson (My sons first name is Benjamin). Well I hired him as my body guard. Silly I know but that was why I was afraid from the 11th of August to the 26th of August because my husband was threatening me with hospitalization. I was scared of him doing it. I did nothing wrong Helen to deserve this. I got fed up with the mental abuse and him giving me orders and treating me with contempt and he rewarded me with harassment and hospitalization. So I told this to Ben. He told me about how his wife has a child but not by him and then he told me of an accident where he had a head injury. Uncanniness I guess. He is just a friend and told me because I was afraid of my husband I could call him any time and he would show up. My husband is no longer living at my home but my kids are. I don't know Helen if these things can be fixed as I believe I was misdiagnosed. What I have written here Helen is really irrelevant to your sentences but things I wished you to personally know.

Helen I will not dispute you. There are times I will read a posts by someone (not naming names) and think to myself that came from out of left field. I guess if that is the case you should ask the person why they wrote it and then see if there is a good reason and if the reason ties in. Does this make sense? Not everyone thinks alike and so to be opened minded means just that. I don't remember asking if my thoughts are clear and focus. I am pretty sure they are. I go back and read things I write and I agree with me so I see no problems. I have three that witness to me: me, myself and I. *I* is the bold one of the bunch. He is also the focuser. yes helen *I* is the masculine part of me and myself.

Yes it is Helen and boy in the coming days am I going to be focusing on it. Matter of fact is there a plcae where Scripture can be discussed and written straight from the Bible here?

I think I explained it above.

No. No I don't. The reason I was put in the hospital is to keep me from seeking a divorce from him because I got so fed up. I asked him to work on our marriage and he made it an issue of my illness. Like he is peachy clean and I am nuts. I just want out. BTW he married me Helen. If I am nuts what does that say about him?

[QUOTE}I know it's hard to forgive, but didn't Jesus say that unless we forgive others, God won't forgive us? My pastor preached a whole sermon series on forgiveness a few months ago. You can find it here if you're interested.[/QUOTE]

Yes I agree but doesn't love have to be moral to be love? I can't live with someone who is mentally abusive any more. I am tired of playing head games and if truth be known he abandoned our relationship years ago. I don't even know how to fix his problems. I want to work on my own. See I want to take responsability for me but I can not take on his burdens

Love is not controlling and manipulation. I am his wife for goodness sakes but he treats me like I am apart of the furniture of the house. This is not love. I am tired of dealing with it and I am suppose to be the sick one.

Our first counselor was fair and I liked very much, but unexpectedly, he had to move. Our present counselor is a woman and she took his side because I am the nutso one. Hell, I even have the appropriate hat to go along with my now nutso look. Yeah Helen, I wear it where ever I am. Get comments on it that it is cute. I was the one, to my husband surprise, who put the ball in roll. He the next day after we saw the counselor for the first time called the EMTS and police. Coincedence? Not on your life. He meant to do it.

Peter Kirby

hope's daughter,

I would like to clear up some things about the "relevance zone" of our different fora. We actually try to cover about everything about religion plus a lot that anybody wants to talk about like music and politics. Here is the breakdown:

"Philosophy
Philosophical discussions for people who think hard."

Philosophy in the sense that Plato, Aristotle, Kant, and Russell did philosophy. This forum overlaps with many others that are more specific--Existence of God(s) for natural theology, for example, and the philosophical merits of proofs of God. Insofar as philosophy is concerned with history and science, it would overlap with the next three, but mostly very abstract discussion of history and science would be posted in Philosophy. Next to EoG, "Moral Foundations and Principles" most frequently overlaps, because ethics is a large subfield of philosophy. "Non-Abrahamic Religion & Philosophy" is for Eastern philosophy mostly. "General Religious Discussions" would include philosophy of religion sometimes. Basically, if it is secular and non-ethical philosophy, it definitely belongs there. Bible quotes discouraged.

Existence of God(s)
Mostly for discussing various ways to prove or disprove various deities. Don't quote the Bible unless you can make a syllogism from that to the existence of God--or for an attribute of BibleGod that you want to disprove.

Biblical Criticism & History
OK, this is my baby. There is a whole subculture of Christians, Jews, Muslims, and Western atheists that this forum caters to--they are scholar wanna-bes or just people who are interested in what the professors are saying about the ancient texts. Strictly devotional threads like "how I read the Sermon on the Mount and found out that Jesus loves me and wants me to love everybody else too, isn't that neat" would be frowned upon by me. If you could tell me something about how the Sermon is different in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke, how the concepts parallel those in Stoicism or Cynicism or the Old Testament, how the text was read and used by the Church Fathers, what literary devices are employed to make an effective impression, or something like that--then I will be riveted and enthralled. We also talk about all history concerning religion in the West, and Islam too. Biblical quotes are encouraged--but not as something that we all agree upon as God's Literal Plenary-Inspired Word--though this is something you [i]can[/b] believe--but for understanding what the men (and women) who wrote it were thinking.

Evolution/Creation
The origins and diversity of life--divine fiat or product of natural forces?--and the sociopolitical ramifications of the answer.

My understanding is that the moderators here don't want Bible quotes--they want science and maybe an understanding of how science disproving Genesis impacts our world. You can argue for Intelligent Design if you are a bio buff.

Science & Skepticism
General discussions of science, skepticism, and how they relate to one another.

Good if you like string theory, the metabolism of cro magnon man, and stuff like that. Bible quotes are usually irrelevant.

Moral Foundations & Principles
Morality, immorality, subjectivism, objectivism, social contracts--what does it all mean? What is the source of morality? Discuss all aspects of secular and theistic moral systems.

If you think the Bible is an absolute guide to morality, people here would be happy to argue with you. But you would have to argue. So the relationship of the Bible to morality can be discussed.

Church–State Separation & Secular Activism
Discuss church-state separation and other topics on secular activism.

We talk about how teachers shouldn't preach from the Bible before class, etc.

Non-Abrahamic Religion & Philosophy
Discuss those worldviews that are based upon a religious and/or philosophical point of view other than a Western, Christian, Islamic, and/or a Jewish one.

You can compare the Bible to the Bhagavad Gita if you like.

General Religious Discussions
Discuss anything about religion, or lack of religion, which doesn't fit within any of our other II forums.

hope's daughter, consider this your new home. This is where you can talk about your personal experience of God, how Christians and infidels compare, how you love a certain bible passage (be prepared for snickering), and basically anything that doesn't fit in our more technical "Upper Forums."

II Formal Debates

You can watch these if you want, or if you have guts go for the glory!

II Secular Community Forums

Bible quotes a no no. This is for atheist-friendly conversation.

Media & Popular Culture
A discussion area for all manner of "popular culture" items, such as books, movies, television, etc.

You understand this.

Political Discussions
Discuss all manner of political things here!

Religion only as it relates to governmental type politics.

Freethought Humor, Jokes, Etc.
Christians and other theists be warned: what we find to be funny may be in extremely bad taste or even very offensive to you!

I think you have a sense of humor, but you don't like foul language, so avoid!

~~Elsewhere~~
This forum is solely for topics moved from other forums due to a lack of serious content. No new threads are allowed.

This is just for threads that get moved. They are moved because (1) they have gotten off the topic for the forum theme (like archaeology in this case) or (2) they have gotten too silly, rancorous, or personal (which may also apply here).

In short, General Religious Discussions are your friend. If you have a hard time understanding/accepting what Joel posted, it may not be your cup of tea to post in BC&H.

best,
Peter Kirby