Thomas II

Is it possible that the soldier who allegedly pierced Jesus lung actually saved his life preventing him from actually drowning due to pulmonary edema?
It is said that "water" poured out of the wound,along with blood...
Wouldn't this indicate that there was both blood pressure, as well as water in the lung?

hatsoff

I read his Church History. That's about it.

hatsoff

I didn't feel like looking up exact quotations and page numbers. If you want to do that, you're welcome to.

It's not certain, but it seems very likely.

hatsoff

They don't?

Didymus

Most scholars date the authentic Pauline epistles and the gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke to the late first century. Some think Luke is early 2nd century. Matthew and Luke are highly dependent on Mark, and all three are dependent on the Septuagint translation (Greek) of Hebrew scripture, as well as on many pagan sources.

It may be a fine point, but in all the NT canonical literature, there is not even a hearsay account of the Resurrection itself, let alone an eyewitness account. All we have are anonymous and unattributed hearsay accounts of post-mortem "appearances" by Jesus, written at least 40 years after the alleged fact. If that's evidence, it's evidence of the weakest possible kind.

(It would be nice if people would check spellings, especially when titling a thread.)

Didymus

Didymus

Are you kidding? Are you talking about the same Eusebius Pamphili who regurgitated that ridiculous story about Jesus' correspondence with the King of Edessa?

Didymus

Didymus

If the former, Jesus was a clone. If the latter, he was not human at all!

Didymus

Amaleq13

And, when we do find one in a non-canonical text, what do we have? A talking, floating cross!!!

From Brown's translation on Kirby's website:
"[35] But in the night in which the Lord's day dawned, when the soldiers were safeguarding it two by two in every watch, there was a loud voice in heaven; [36] and they saw that the heavens were opened and that two males who had much radiance had come down from there and come near the sepulcher. [37] But that stone which had been thrust against the door, having rolled by itself, went a distance off the side; and the sepulcher opened, and both the young men entered. [38] And so those soldiers, having seen, awakened the centurion and the elders (for they too were present, safeguarding). [39] And while they were relating what they had seen, again they see three males who have come out from they sepulcher, with the two supporting the other one, and a cross following them, [40] and the head of the two reaching unto heaven, but that of the one being led out by a hand by them going beyond the heavens. [41] And they were hearing a voice from the heavens saying, 'Have you made proclamation to the fallen-asleep?' [42] And an obeisance was heard from the cross, 'Yes.' [43]"

TySixtus

The Christians in this thread have not answered my question. I'll restate it.

Why is it feasible for Jesus to have risen from the dead, when there is absolutely no verifiable, scientific evidence that this has ever happened?

Does this startling lack of evidence bother you at all?

Ty

Noggin

The body is not gone. The disciples took it and buried in the desert some where. Prove to me that they did not.

That scenario is more plausible than a body coming back to life and then floating up into heaven!

Noggin