Yellum Notnef

"Fully Human" is a meaningless nonsense term like "saved" or "born again". It's just mental mush.
And if "Fully Human" is used in evolutionary terms isn't it an impossible thing for one to attain? You can be up to date on what "fully human" is currently, but since everything is constantly evolving won't being fully human be different in say 500,000 years or so? How do we know that it's not at that point we become fully human in spiritual mumbo jumbo terms?

Toto

You can find individual Christians who acted in accord with humanistic ideals, but this was not the inevitable outcome of their philosophical ideals, as shown by most of their history.

This is outside the scope of this forum, and it is one of those great questions that you could spend your life debating and never get anywhere.

Susan2

After some thought, I realized that to be told, "ye must be born again" suggests that something is wrong and in need of correction, or fulfillment. If nothing is wrong, then why do I need to be born again?

It is sort of a play on the karma ****. Oops, *.

Something is obvioulsy missing if one is not fully human. If they are not fully human are they 1/2 human, 2/3, 3/4, 1/4, what?

I would think that it means to ask then recognize what has been taken from you, obviously in this life.

Of course that begs the question, what has been taken from you, and who, or what took it?

Who were you before it was taken?

Are you capable of right and wrong? Are you capable of mistakes and corrections? Joy and sorrow? Are you capable of good and evil? Are you capable of hunger and thirst?

Can you know somethings and not know other things?

Can you be present in one place, and absent in another, all at the same time?

Can you laugh and cry at the same time?

Can you drink wine and eat vinegar? Notice that they had it 1/2 backwards in the gosples. Do you know why (that is another discussion, so moving on)?

Can you whisper words of love in anothers ear, and curse them?

If you are watching your favorite sport, can you be angry one minute, and jumping for joy the next?

Can you solve a puzzle? Do you understand logic? Can you preform intricate levels of mathematics?

Can you whisper words of love in anothers ear, then live those words to the fullest joy?

Can you hate another and live that to it's greatest sorrow?

Can you both trust and not trust?

Can the words, love you, like you, bless you, fuck you, all look the same in another language? Would that be fully human?



There is one thing that theists and atheists have in common; they have stolen from man the truth of his nature. One of them gave it to a false God. The other kept his own, but took anothers; that too is a false God.

Perhaps it could be said he applied Occams razon on his neighbor.




The Christians of the Op what to baptize others in pain and suffering; chastise others for desiring joy, or a return of joy. They want to chastise for us for being fully human, not because we're not, nor because they are evil; but because they themselves do not know what it is to be fully human. They are and have been misguided, imo. Unfortunately, along with the atheists, they are passing that along.

God is omnipotent.


The good news is that now they get to show who "they" are, including the Jews/Israel. Scientists. Corporations. Me. You. Yada, yada.