Chili

Unless Mary was the personified womb of Joseph who was pregnant with dispair and returned to the state of mind he was at birth. Once there he gave an account of himself unto which his own firstborn was reborn.

This makes it the lineage of Joseph in the purity of David's flesh that Luke takes past David to Adam to God to confirm that Mary was not Jewish but immaculate (sinless) by necessitiy and virgin in perpetuity to even this very day in time.

Mary is the essence of man in the image of God that is retained in the TOL (by Elizabeth her kinswoman or Volumnia in Coriolanus) that exists next to the TOK that itself was a blank slate at birth in the twain mind of man. The human condition exists only in the TOK wherein we are temporal because it was a blank slate at birth. The 'gather' of Joseph is retained in the TOK and they are personified by the shepherds (ousia's) who were out herding their sheep on that midwinter night when Joseph gave this account of himself, to say that he was beyond theology indeed and so the stable was empty except for the passified Adam and Eve who were present in the form of a neuter ox and mule that were there to symbolize realization in the very manger that used to feed them (Joyce would add so that reason can return).

Mary, then, was temporal to be taken under the care of John-the-son-of-Elizabeth who was Jesus' bosum buddy in the same way as Elizabeth was Mary's kinswoman and that is how Mary was assumed into heaven so she could rightfully be crowned queen of heaven and earth.

Pure and simple.

Chili

Ah, but the founders are those who tucked the mystery of faith into the text and knew exactly what they were doing.

driver8

Does anyone understand any of this?

I can never understand your posts, but perhaps I'm just a simpleton.

Take this sentence, er, phrase:

What is a "personified womb?" Are you suggesting that Mary and Joseph are two names for one person, perhaps a hermaphrodite? Why the despair? Don't they know they're having god's baby? What is this "state of mind at birth" business and how does it relate to geneology?

Where is "there?" Who did he give an account to? What does "giving an account" entail? What happened to the firstborn? It appears you have evidence of reincarnation. References?

Maybe you could start a thread devoted to explaining just this one sentence.

The next thread would then of course explain this one. "The gather of Joseph is retained in the TOK" barely resembles english. What does this mean? Joseph is "beyond theology?" Does that mean he is unexplained? Adam and Eve were in the manger? Where do you get this? Why was the ox neutered? I'm sure you have references. Again, food for another thread.

Again where did you get this idea?

I apologize for any derail and invite Chili to explain in a separate thread.

Chili

That is why I like to keep it short.It is never my intention to make you think that but is there something wrong with me providing a different perspective, even if only for the sake of argument? It comes from Gen.2:23 where bone of bones and flesh of flesh was taken from "her man" to be called woman of "this man." So yes, the two are one and here we are shown how this woman gives birth to the firstborn who once was conceived in the image of God.

"Pregnant with despair" is from James Joyce. I think it explains the sentiment of Joseph very well who went back to the state of mind he was at birth to give an account of himself as estranged Jew.

Mary knew but Joseph was about to be reeled in as a played-out barracuda.

The geneology of Matthew was recorded without error (unless you want to argue with a recorded effort) while the geneology of Luke was inspired along [firstborn] sonship and therefore back to God. It just shows that the firstborn is not a Jew but is recognized as son of God in Judaism. :notworthy:

The state of mind at birth is to be beyond reason which is a precondition for metamorphosis to take place."There" is a state of mind wherein we are 'beyond theology' (Allan Watts).
The account is given to the inner man. In the bible is it the murmer that sounds like "Abba Father" and for William Wordsworth it was his famous "timely uttering" for which there is no rational explanation.

The firstborn is reborn into the conscious mind where mystical experiences are known to take place.

Such is how the incarnate son of man is born.I am reluctant to do that because I am not a preacher promoting his POV.The gather of Joseph are his worldly richess and they include his eidetic images that were his strongholds to make him the upright enterpreneur he was presented be. These strongholds are called his shepherds each with their own flock of sheep that represent the contributions they had made.Beyond theology means non-rational but still functional as the naked animal man. "Naked" here is from Gen.2:25 = naked to wit.

Adam and Eve were the personified driving forces inside the conscious mind.

The ox represents the now exhausted ego identity or Adam nature or fallen nature that once was charge of the volition of the man called Joseph. Eve represents the serpent Adam had taken to be his wife. She is whom the greater serpent (there known as woman) strikes at the head while she strikes Adam's heel to motivate him to greener pastures along the road-dust of the sun (the light of common day) in the absense of the celestial light that was available only to the woman in the TOL (the woman was not banned from Eden).

So the manger is how the woman (we call her Mary) feeds those in charge of the consciuos mind with Eve being the small light (lucifer) that will give Adam as much as a hard-on for anything for anything she wants him to encounter (she's called the temple tramp for that reason later known as Magdalene). Of course a vivid Eve is fun. She makes life interesting and was called Valeria (from valor) in Coriolanus.

A mule is a sterile female. The ox and mule tell us that rational activity had seized until the Magi came . . . which is about 10 days during which time the new concept of even time entered the conscious mind only because the ox and mule were at the trough.

In our tradition we call it New Year between the Christ-mass and Epiphany.Mary was taken under the care of John who was born from the netherworld which is our subconscious mind. So here we have reason placed subordinate to intuition inside the Thousand Year Reign to which 'this age' (also called the omaga) is added so that he who walks in the reign of God can bring forth from both the Old and the New.