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Jésus vs Paul
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I discuss with évangélique on safety in the NT and I need a study on the message of hello according to Jesus and Paul,can you help me please? |
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As you dig through this, chimaira, always keep in front of you the default Jewish position, unless you have very strong reasons to do otherwise: Both Jesus and Paul would have conceived of God's future (and his people with him) as a tangible, earthy reality — not some wispy, ethereal, floating-on-clouds-with-wings-and-harps "hereafter." This is what the resurrection pointed to, and this is what both Jesus and Paul are seen assuming.
In short, being "saved" from the wrath to come (i.e., God's wrath) meant taking part in the eternal, resurrected life. When God judges the world, he will show, by resurrecting his people, that they are vindicated, i.e., that they are his, abiding in him. (This is what it means, by the way, for Jesus to be the "first fruits.") This did not include the end of space and time, but the renewal of it. Hopefully, not all of this will get lost in translation. Best, CJD |
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Thank you CJD it is instructive and useful. I wants to know the message about the eternelle life according to Jesus and Paul in the NT and knowledge if they are similar, can somebody help me?
[ QUOTE=CJD]As que vous creusez par ceci, chimaira, toujours subsistance devant vous la position juive de défaut, Ã* moins que vous ayez des raisons très fortes de faire autrement : Jésus et Paul auraient conçu du futur de Dieu (et de ses personnes avec lui) comme réalité réelle et terreuse - un non certain wispy, éthéré, les flotter-sur-nuage-avec-aile-et-harpes "ci-après." Est c'Ã* ce que la résurrection s'est dirigée, et est ce ce que Jésus et Paul sont assumer vu. En bref, "étant économisé" de la colère pour venir (c.-Ã*-d., la colère de Dieu) participer signifié Ã* l'éternel, ressuscité la vie. Quand Dieu juge le monde, il montrera, en ressuscitant ses personnes, qu'elles sont défendues, c.-Ã*-d., qu'elles sont Ã* lui, demeurant dans lui. (c'est ce que signifie il, d'ailleurs, pour que Jésus soit les "premiers fruits.") Ceci n'a pas inclus la fin de l'espace et du temps, mais le renouvellement de lui. Si tout va bien, pas toute la ceci perdra dans la traduction Mieux, CJD[/QUOTE ] |
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