Sheshbazzar

With thanks to Amaleq,
I am opening this thread to help as many honest individuals as I am able, both Believers and unbelievers, to grasp of the concepts of 'Holy' numbers. Though I have touched before upon this subject in replies to various other threads,
This is the first thread that I have personally initiated, and is a followup to previous discussions about the size of Noah's ark and the length of a cubit as referenced in Genesis 6:15

I will endeavor to keep my explanations as brief, concise and to the point, as the nature of the subject matter will allow, while avoiding the entanglements of mysticism that men have woven.

Honest questions, or requests for clarification, that pertain directly to the points being made in the subject are welcomed,
'philosophical' diversions are not.

I will be up front in asking that the posters to this thread be on their best behavior, in refraining from engaging in sarcasm, ridicule, mockery, or any manner of speech or device that is contrary to good manners.
(In other words folks, lets keep the Smilies out)

Please refrain from the posting or pasting in of long dissertations from other threads or journals, start a new thread if you feel a need to thus engage.

What makes a number 'Holy'?
On the simplest level, Believers will account a number as being particularly 'Holy' with respect of how often or how prominently it is featured in the The Bible, thus the contrast between the 'Holy' number 7 and the less esteemed number eight, or the 'Holy' number 12 and the less esteemed number 13, and for some this is sufficient to establish that a particular number is to be accepted as 'Holy', ie "The Bible tells me so".

Another level or approach to 'Holy' numbers is that employed by those who study 'prophesy' in an attempt to determine the timing and/or sequence of events, past, present, and future on which they base their faith and future expectations. Similarly are those who endeavor to employ numbers to seek out "hidden messages" and "Bible Codes" within the texts.
Most long time members of IIDB are by now well acquainted with these.

Another level or approach to 'Holy' numbers is that employed by those devout Believers who desire to please their Maker by the proper observance of the 'set times', of the 'Sabbaths' and 'Holy Days' set forth in the Law, this approach and usage of 'Holy' numbers is usually deemed to be the domain of the 'ultra-orthodox' and the 'legalists'.

Another level or approach to 'Holy' numbers, is 'pure' mathematics and geometry, and it is in this that I take my stand.
(not disassociating myself from those fellow Believers who have attained to a confident faith in any or all of the foregoing, it is after all the Master that justifies His own)

What then makes a particular number 'Holy' to me?
The "builders rule" or "law" of the Right triangle, expressed as the 3-4-5 rule, where the sum of the two legs of a Right triangle is 7, the diagonal 5, the perimeter 12, each of these numbers is therefore 'set apart' and 'Holy' to me.

A cube has 6 sides, a 7th is not included, therefore is 'set apart' and accounted 'Holy' to me, these things are associated with all that I find to be 'upright', 'foursquare' and 'eternal'.

I have 10 fingers (digits) if I assign each a value of .7 (seven tenths) the sum of the 10 digits is 7, equally divided, 3.5 (three and a half) on one hand, and 3.5 (three and one half) on the other hand, 7 equal halves on either hand. More on this latter.

If I successively add the sum of my 10 digits, as 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10 the sum is 55, lifting up my hands I 'see' 55, when I was a lad of 10, my 2 open hands expressed my years, and yet again at 55, of course that is not all the numbers I am able to now 'see' in these old hands.

If I progressively multiply my ten digits, 1 x 2 x 3 x 4 x 5 x 6 x 7 x 8 x 9 x 10, the product is 3,628,800 (three million six hundred twenty eight thousand eight hundred)
the exact number of minutes in 360 weeks, (I account each equal. per Lev 19:35-6 and Deut.25:13-16 and Prov. 11:1, 20:10)
that is 360 divisions of 168 hours, or conversely 168 divisions of 360 hours,
beginning from the first hour of the first day, 360 hours fulfills 15 days.
7 lines of 15 days make 15 weeks or 105 days totaling 2520 hours,
'setting apart', and 'hallowing' the 7th part, even the 15 'set apart' 'Holy' days, there remains 6 lines, or faces of 360 hours totaling 2160 hours,
thus 7 faces with 7 circles of hours,
What are these seven circles of hours? Seven eyes upon the plummet in the hand of Zerubabble.

Colander of Truth

Go to this site.

Then go here

Sheshbazzar

Thank you for not repeating or inserting the contents of either of those sites into this thread, for although I did mention circles and cubes, what I am presenting here has very little to do with the views being expressed on those sites.

Colander of Truth

Sorry, I know time cube is a laugh, but gematria seems to be what you are talking about ...

Anat

Readers of Hebrew might enjoy the collection of gematria work here

Intelligitimate

http://www.skepdic.com/numology.html

Sheshbazzar

I do not engage in gematria, or any in similar word games that have no productive outcome.

as I stated in the second paragraph of the OP,
".....while avoiding the entanglements of mysticism that men have woven."

Please base your replies on your analysis of what I have actually written, rather than ideas being presented by others on other sites and threads.
I have no books to sell, and I do not solicit nor accept donations.
Simply seeking to help honest men, men of integrity, to get understanding.

Toto

This does not sound like gematria or like standard numerology.

There are a lot of "holy numbers." Is this a particular system? Is there a good reason for this thread to be in BCH?

Amaleq13

My understanding was that he intended to discuss the relevant biblical passage(s).

Sheshbazzar

Indeed Amaleq and Toto that is my intention, the discussion of the the length and value of the cubit is integral to the entire field of mathematics, it is therefore needful to present a "Bronze Age goat herders" perspective on the use of the hands and fingers in calculating and measuring.