Toto

Whoever wrote Paul's letters.

DCHindley

Don't you mean "Whoever wrote Acts"?

DCH

IamJoseph

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Hm. I thought this was about Jews and would have been in Hebrew names!

IamJoseph

'Torah' means 'The Way'. Paul never observed this belief, at least not from the scriptures describing his beliefs. It sounds like the way of the Romans and Greeks. As a Jew, Paul would never subscribe to a divine human - this is not the way by any measures other than that of Rome and Greece.

We know that in Paul's time, the Jews were quagmired in overturning Rome's heresy decree - he could not have written anything in opposition to this scenario. It appears whatever is held as a Pauline writing, was subject to doctoring by Europe, and any originals were either not ever present or destroyed fastidiously. A total vacuum does not attain veracity by the proof of 'belief' and nothing else - rather, this only means it was a fiction.

spamandham

*no* Jew could possibly have subscribed to a divine human? Wow, so now you're an expert on every Jew who ever lived?

IamJoseph

Study some real history. Jews resisted this demand for 2000 years before Christianity, and are the only peoples who resisted Rome and the European church for 2000 years. It means something. Its far more impacting than lets say the Church trying to impress today's muslims of worshipping a divine human - because this is 4000 years of dna in Jewish history as opposed 1500 years with Islam.

There was never a human like Moses - and he at all times declared himself a human. Christianity is a Greek/Roman belief system established on enforcement, which could not sustain itself without images of divine emperors. IMHO it will thus either go through a massive epiphany or go as did Rome.

Monotheism is a most serious business, subject to battles in many sectors, including science, and is ultimately not subject to nogotiation. This has been going through an evolutionary ascent, and there are pockets of resistance going through self appraisal and normal opposition. Humanity cannot go forth and have dominion of all the worlds - till its internal divisions are resolved - and there is no other way around a total & absolutist Monotheistic belief, based on an indifinable and indesribable Creator source - with equitable laws applying to all equally - with no names and likeness. This is humanity's future, even if it goes that way screaming and cussing.

premjan

You have hit the nail on the head - Jesus declaring himself God was actually taking a stab at the Roman emperors. The Kingdom of God was a replacement for the Kingdom of man. Jesus was probably half-Roman.

spamandham

So by studying real history, I can know what every single Jew who ever lived believed?

mountainman

The declaration at the state level in an historical sense
was enacted by means of the ancient authority and power
vested in the role of the Pontifex Maximus. Constantine
declared Jesus was God. Constantine was Pontifex Maximus.
Therefore, Jesus was officially God.

It replaced the Hellenic civilisation.
Plato, Pythagoras, Euclid, Galen, etc, etc, etc

Which half?

Toto

You're right. Paul doesn't actually name his movement.