Hopeful Monsters

Jupiter (Jove) (also regarded as counterpart/equivalent to the Greek Zeus)

- he is dies pater “shining father�
- a god of light “light bringer�
- a god of the sky, a protector of laws
- a guardian of morality
- worshipped as Jupiter Optimus Maximus (Jupiter Best and Greatest) or “all-good, all-powerful�
- a ruler over the universe who makes known his will (or is that His Will?)
- he is also known by the names Caelestis (heavenly) and Lucetius (of the light)
- he was a father of gods (“god of gods�)
- Cicero spoke of Jove as being numen praestantissimae mentis - "the presence of a supreme mind"

Lilyofthevalley

Re Krishna

What 'traditions'? I've never heard this of Krishna.

Anybody know?

Toto

Krishna definitely does not belong in this list.

I know why you didn't post this in BCH - Acharya S and the Kersey Graves are considered an embarrassment to scholarship. But it seems that this fills some sort of need.

Hopeful Monsters

Maybe Krishna doesn't belong here. Maybe he most definitely does.

I tried to double-check as much of this stuff as I could before Posting it. There seems to be a fairly good discussion of this and other points (including on Kersey Graves) on This Page (and note This Page Too).

If I had more time I know I could find something better - the 'non-canonical' tales of Krishna's death are certainly a point of discussion. The traditional ('canonical') version has him killed beneath a tree by a hunter's arrow when he is mistaken from a distance for a deer.

Maybe Hinduwoman could help us out :huh: Well that's very glib, but I don't think that sums it up at all.

Toto

You seem to have overlooked Richard Carrier on Kersey Graves.

You can also search BCH for many threads on this topic. You will find that Tom Harpur has been thoroughly debunked by atheists. Graves is an embarrassment.

I can assure you that this subject has been sliced, diced, and discussed to death. Hinduwoman has previously said that she thinks that the Krishna comparison was invented by Christian missionaries as an attempt to sell Christianity to Indians by making it seem familiar.

The Krishna - Christ connection is the weakest point of a weak argument.

I say that this must meet some need because this argument keeps popping up in its most unsophisticated form, even on the otherwise reliable Religious Tolerance site.

It is possible to make an argument linking the Jesus myth with other myths, although evidence is lacking on many key points. But Graves did not make that argument, nor did Acharya S.