sschlichter

Why do you beleive I exist?

Sheshbazzar

Still dodging and weaving Steve
The question remains;

sschlichter

I tried to make you understand but you will not explore the relationship of God and death.

You beleive there could be a just eternal God that allows the death of children. If you try to recioncile that then you might be on your way to understanding the answer that I already gave you.

if you don't then there is no answer I could give you.

Johnny Skeptic

We will need to agree on some ground rules before we proceed any further. First of all, if you are allowed to ask questions, so am I? Second of all, consider the following:

You asked you a question, I answered it, and then you asked me another question. If you think that you will get to ask all of the questions, you are mistaken.

You said "Just answer me and we will talk about the role of faith and reason." I will be happy to discuss faith and reason with you, but the point is, do you actually want to discuss faith and reason? If so, I will start a new thread at the General Religious Discussions Forum where we can discuss faith and reason. The General Religious Discussions Forum would be a more appropriate place to discuss faith and reason that this forum is.

Regarding your question, which was "Why do you believe I exist?," I will be happy to answer it, but only in a new thread that I can start at the General Religious Discussions Forum that would be titled "Faith and reason." Please be advised that I would also ask you why you believe that I exist?

Since you are evasive, which is typical of fundies, I would not be surprised if you refuse to participate in a new thread at the General Religious Discussions Forum.

sschlichter

I think if you go thru the thread you will see that you are asking most of the questions. Usualy about 20 at a time.

Sheshbazzar

Foreign to whom? the people of Israel were Canaanites to begin with, had always lived in slave holding societies, and never existed without being surrounded by, and being involved in institutionalized slavery, and the buying and selling of slaves, they were well familiar with the practice of it in all of its aspects. Thus it is disingenuous to claim it as "foreign" to the Israelite peoples, even the Bible reveals that they DID engage in the practices of the surrounding nations,-including slavery, and it would have been conducted just as they knew it and experienced it, harshly, not according to your Utopian pie-in-the-sky dreamland version. The evidence supports that slavery under Israelite domination would not significantly differ from the slavery that was being practiced by their contemporary neighbors.
You have provided NO evidence proving otherwise.
Was the notion of abusing slaves foreign to the god of Israel? evidently not, for as an omniscient being, he should have been aware of all the abuses that institutionalised slavery caused, and would yet cause in the future.
If such a god really loved all men, he could have simply given a single clear commandment outlawing slavery, just as he did in outlawing various other modes of human conduct.
This then is the problem, by the claims made on behalf of that god, or were put in his mouth by the Bible's writers, he was (supposedly) fully aware of all of the human suffering that institutionalized slavery would bring upon mankind for thousands of years thereafter, yet rather than uttering a single word against the practice, filled up volumes with commandments about trivial architectural, and interior decorating details, and arcane sacrificial ordinances.
Thus you have a 'god' that is so all tied up in self-serving, self-aggrandising rituals, that he wilfully ignores and neglects the needless sufferings of millions of people, at a time and place where he could have, with a single commandment, placed himself indisputably against the abuses of slavery that he must have known existed, and would exist. That "he" did not do so speaks volumes.

Johnny Skeptic

Yep, more evasiveness. Consider the following:

Do you wish to discuss faith and reason in a new thread that I could start at the General Religious Discussions Forum or not? If not, then why did you bring up faith and reason in the first place? Since you are evasive, I assume that you do not want to discuss faith and reason at the General Religious Discussions Forum. This forum is not an appropriate place to discuss faith and reason. You are obviously not confident of your debating abilities.

You have made many blunders. I discussed some of your blunders in a thread at http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=259943 at the General Religious Discussions Forum that is titled "It is doubtful that a God inspired the Bible." I assume that you wish to avoid the General Religious Discussions Forum becuase it allows a greater variety of discussions than most other forums allow, which means that you would have to defend a wider variety of claims.

By the way, you claimed that you answered by question about Mt. Ararat in a thread about the flood at the Evolution/Creation Forum, but I was not able to find anywhere where you answered my question about Mt. Ararat. You claimed that the flood was localized, but if the ark landed on Mount Ararat, there would have been plenty of places for humans, animals, birds, and insects to escape to.

sschlichter

Do you drink too much coffee?

Why not take a deep breath and discuss my blunders with me. Why do you feel the need to obfuscate so much.

I did not say I answered your question, if you look carefully, I suggested that you look at the evidence I provided and answer my question.

I am done with this. I would be glad to discuss 1 topic with you at a time in 1 thread. Pick one and if you continue being so jittery then it will be our last. Any topic, just one at a time for God's sake. Don't start another thread and then accuse me of evasiveness for not chasing you around this site.

Johnny Skeptic

Why do you believe that the God of the Bible exists? If you answer my question, I will answer your question.

Asking questions is easy. Answering questions is much more difficult, which would easily be proven if you answered my question.

sschlichter

It may not have. the concept of slavery in your mind is different (and thereby foreign) from what slavery meant in the ANE.