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Stout Drinker · 08-28-2005, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mellie

Well Stout, the only people banned at FC are those who pissed off the moderators.

Thats obviously true but what pisses off the moderators? Certainly personal attacks don't piss off mods there since the mods and admins make them all the time. Its ok on FC to make personal attacks, as long as its against the right person. Look what Bluemoon Rising said to a user today.

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Originally Posted by Bluemoon Rising at FC

No. You're garbage. Robertson is a wise and honorable man.

. Calling another member at FC "Garbage" isn't subject to editing there since the cause was noble (Defending Pat Robertson) What pisses off the mods is someone who disagrees with the mods and majority of members and expresses the disagreement clearly. That is the only reason why Jimmy Higgins and Hybrid Angel got banned. They were extremely polite and did nothing that a rational person could object to. The mods just didn't like the content of what they said.

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Originally Posted by Mellie

The religion forum is not required format and therefore, asking permission for entrance is not out of line.

Its a private forum and they can have whatever rules they want. I understand in Christian Forums that they want to have only christians in 'support' and 'fellowship' areas. That makes sense. Places like that aren't designed for inquiry and debate. It doesn't make sense to have that in areas 'discussing' religion though which seems to be the case in FC or in discussion a scientific topic like Evolution. On IIDB, Christians and other theists are welcome to post in GRD and can express their views. If you value discussion, its always best to have a wide range of participants.

In any event Melllie, its cool to see a new member here. I hope you enjoy it.

lurker1 · 08-31-2005, 04:22 AM

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Well Stout, the only people banned at FC are those who pissed off the moderators.

That's correct. The problem is that the moderators get pissed off when you disagree with them, even if you do so politely. Support a gay's right to marriage, and you are told by DoctorDoom that you are about as welcome as a 'fart in an elevator'.

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There are IIDB people there who are perfectly non-confrontational who are still there.

Non-confrontational = Eating shit from rabid neo-cons and turning the other cheek to continuous personal attacks. Some people won't stand for the shit, darling. Especially when your buddies post shit like "Evolutionism is the false religion of atheistic, communistic Nazis".

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Lurker, the only way to support it is based on the fact that this is an atheist board.

1. Not everyone on here is an atheist. Some are agnostic and theistic. Ergo, you are making a fallicious assumption.

2. Merely because someone is atheistic does not mean that they aim to discredit your belief in God. You are merely demonstrating the 'persecution complex' held by some theists.

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Usually it takes a newbie 3 posts before claiming distaste for God and Jesus..there is no attempt to hide it.

Ahh, I see. Saying that one does not believe in God/Jesus = Attempting to discredit/mock your religion. Fascinating...

Plognark · 08-31-2005, 11:50 AM

I don't recall ever trying to discredit anyone's religion when I was still posting there, although I did make some snide comments back here about a few choice individuals (Dr. Doom and Nutrider99 primarily).

I did get pretty pissed off at the stuff I read over there, so I just stopped posting. AFAIK my account is still active.

Amusingly Doom even took the time to flame me for some comments I made about him back here. :rolling:

Teshi · 08-31-2005, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mellie

Well Stout, the only people banned at FC are those who pissed off the moderators.

:rolling: A high standard, doubtless ensuring just judgement :rolling:

Stout Drinker · 09-01-2005, 10:38 PM

Here is my freeconservatives quote of the day. It is from Venus de Smilo.

http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/...1&postcount=85

If you have a very strong stomach you may want to read the thread entitled Scumbags that need killing.

http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/...9&page=1&pp=20

It was in responce to another user who said that some people who didn't leave New Orleans was because they were poor and could't afford hotels/ gas

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Who the hell's fault is that? If they don't have enough means to scrape together $20 or $30 for gas or a bus ticket, it's their own fault. Besides, I don't buy it. They stayed because they didn't want to use their own money to get out, and others stayed specifically to loot and rob. If they didn't have the money and were waiting for thier next government check, that's also their fault. Maybe buying less booze, cigarettes and video rentals would have made the difference.

The resources are schools, jobs programs, volunteer programs, employment agencies, grants, scholarships, loans, on and on. But they all have an excuse not to use them.

The old folks stuck in their apartments are able to live on their own, right? Why didn't their family members get them out? There may be a small handful who don't have family, but most do. Most have lived there all their lives and have roots and family there. Their adult kids and grandkids should have helped them get out. But that's the government's responsibility, right?

Being poor doesn't mean you're not responsible for yourself and your family. It doesn't make you automatically dependent. As for the race issue, the fact that they're about 95% black speaks volumes. They've shown that they don't have what it takes to be Americans of independence and self-reliance, and we've never seen a better example of how they make their own situations worse because of attitude, laziness and lack of pride. The entire attitude on display here is that they're owed being taken care of and gawdammit, "somebody" better snap to and take care of my ass RIGHT NOW! Hell, there've been reports about diabetics who didn't even bother to bring enough insulin with them. They have no problem going into stores to carry out armloads of stuff, but they couldn't be bothered to grab a couple of vials of insulin to take with them from home. They cannot conduct themselves in an orderly way and help the helpers by letting the truly ill or needy go first, help hand out water, serve food, clean up after themselves, comfort the bereaved, use the supplies sparingly and generally conduct themselves in an intelligent, civilized manner.

I think a lot of them decided to stay because it was easier than taking the initiative to care for their own health and safety, so they just ignored the evacuation directives. As in any population, only a few are truly unable to care for themselves to some extent. The rest are just soft, dumb and weak.

mh8782 · 09-02-2005, 03:34 AM

There's a lot on that site that I disagree with, but open racism like that is just disturbing. However, because it's from one of the regulars, it'll be ignored. Disgraceful

Jimmy Higgins · 09-02-2005, 06:45 AM

You wanna know the fucking irony? What happened after 9/11? Did all those blacks loot and shoot at people? No! Why? Because they were liberal northerners. People from the Northeast... people who have class. People, who after one of the most horrific days in American History went straight back to work.

What happens when a disaster strikes the South? People drain the gas pumps in Georgia and North Carolina, and people are looting like mad in New Orleans.

It's the South stupid!

Stout Drinker · 09-02-2005, 07:32 PM

Disasters bring out the best and worst of people. Look at what the right wingnuts of Free Conservatives are posting.

The OP of the threadBiloxi vs New Orleans makes the point of how white victims of hurricanes are more virtuous than black victims. If Venus hadn't won quote of the day yesterday her OP may have been the winner today. However another quote in the thread is the clear winner.

maxparish has posted this gem in the thread above. Its in response to the question of the OP

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Can anybody explain why the people of Biloxi (and Gulfport and Mobile) have conducted themselves so well in comparison to the people of New Orleans?

http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/...54&postcount=8

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Because the people of New Oreleans are negros. I'm fed up with trying to gloss over the obvious differences between the way the people of Bismarck, Des Moines, or St. Louis respond to natural disasters (or Florida) and a refugee population of negros.

The arrogance, whining, blaming, chip on your shoulder attitude of some many of the victims towards their rescurers infuriates me as crude spitting on those who doing their best.

Frankly, I've never seen such disgusting blame, anger, and ungratefullness from a refugee population. A real sense of lower class/welfare entitlement running through the "negros" of New Orleans.

Contrast with the 3rd world victims of the Tsunami, or those of Bismarck that lost their city, or the 8 million acres of farms, towns, and urban areas lost to the Mississippi floods of 1993. Contrast with the historical (white) attitude towards disaster relief - one of teamwork, mutual aide, and laying aside 'blame' untill a crisis is past (read about a much worse flood, the Johnstown flood that crushed and wiped out nearly every building in a closed ravine).

Instead of organizing (as whites would do) they all stand around killing each other or grabbing piles of MRE, complaining. ...(although I did read of one businessman who tried to organize food distribution from stadium canteens in the intial hours of the aftermath and was shoo'd off by the national guard).

I am as disappointed with the emergency response organization, but to respond by turning tribal says so much about blacks...much of it inexcusable.

Do I sense a future poster of the month?

Mellie · 09-02-2005, 10:10 PM

Max doesn't post enough to be poster of the month, no one would remember to vote for him.

Hi this is Mellie again, I noticed that you still look at the forum. Place is getting heated up again as far as arguing and such. As many forums do. None of you have pointed out a single post you agree with. For some reason, there is only a thread for things you disagree upon. For every Venus posting, there are arguing sides within FC ..which no one says "hey, look at this, what a great comment." Notice that?

Not that I have a problem with your own little flame war section here, but it is hardly conducive (I am sure I spelled that wrong, I always admit that) of a war. No one is warring. An entire thread dedicated to FC is cute though. I wander in every once in a while and notice that I am not of the detested FC'ers

quantumspirit · 09-02-2005, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mh8782

A thread was started over at FC.com

"Explain Atheism

For those of you who are atheists please explaine it, how it works, and how it gives us answers to our origin"

http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/...5&page=1&pp=20.

I just thought I'd point it out. The site is heavily conservative and anti-atheist, so it might be worth giving it a go

I already tried a fundie site. It was www.raptureready.com I went on there as my flaming liberal self, held nothing back, made my first post at 1 am, eight total, banned at 11 am same morning. :banghead:

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08-31-2005, 11:50 AM	#543
Plognark Contributor Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 14,952	I don't recall ever trying to discredit anyone's religion when I was still posting there, although I did make some snide comments back here about a few choice individuals (Dr. Doom and Nutrider99 primarily). I did get pretty pissed off at the stuff I read over there, so I just stopped posting. AFAIK my account is still active. Amusingly Doom even took the time to flame me for some comments I made about him back here. :rolling:

09-02-2005, 03:34 AM	#546
mh8782 Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: UK Posts: 197	There's a lot on that site that I disagree with, but open racism like that is just disturbing. However, because it's from one of the regulars, it'll be ignored. Disgraceful

09-02-2005, 06:45 AM	#547
Jimmy Higgins Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Proud Citizen of Freedonia Posts: 42,473	You wanna know the fucking irony? What happened after 9/11? Did all those blacks loot and shoot at people? No! Why? Because they were liberal northerners. People from the Northeast... people who have class. People, who after one of the most horrific days in American History went straight back to work. What happens when a disaster strikes the South? People drain the gas pumps in Georgia and North Carolina, and people are looting like mad in New Orleans. It's the South stupid!

09-02-2005, 10:10 PM	#549
Mellie Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 13	Max doesn't post enough to be poster of the month, no one would remember to vote for him. Hi this is Mellie again, I noticed that you still look at the forum. Place is getting heated up again as far as arguing and such. As many forums do. None of you have pointed out a single post you agree with. For some reason, there is only a thread for things you disagree upon. For every Venus posting, there are arguing sides within FC ..which no one says "hey, look at this, what a great comment." Notice that? Not that I have a problem with your own little flame war section here, but it is hardly conducive (I am sure I spelled that wrong, I always admit that) of a war. No one is warring. An entire thread dedicated to FC is cute though. I wander in every once in a while and notice that I am not of the detested FC'ers

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